<VV> RE: "MUST be an overhaul"

[srmarti]

Is there really an accepted or "legal" definition of an overhaul or a
rebuild?

As I see it, it's a problem of semantics.  One must know what's accomplished
during an overhaul, rebuild, or remanufacture.  The actual work is what
matters, not what you call it.

For example, I fix musical instruments.  What some people call an overhaul,
I would call playing condition.  Some include refinishing as part of the job
and some don't.

Best course is to know what they're actually going to do and then decide if
that's sufficient for your needs.  I guess I would also like to know the
reputation of the rebuilder to help make a decision.  You can probably get a
good idea of material cost going through vendors catalogs or online.  Then
there's labor...

Steve Marti

> From: Tony Underwood <tonyu@roava.net>
> Subject: Re: <VV> engine rebuilder
>
> At 10:20 hours 11/23/2004 -0600, Landis, Art MR wrote:
> >I want to have my '66/140 hp engine rebuilt.  I found a place on
> line called
> >rebuilt.com.  I called and was told that they will rebuild my engine for
> >$1950.  This includes shipping both ways from Missouri to
> Chicago where the
> >shop is.
>
> This MUST be an overhaul and not a rebuild.   A genuine rebuild will cost
> at least twice that or more... and it involves considerable machine work,
> new parts like pistons and camshaft/lifters, labor, etc and what you get
> back  is for all intents and purposes a brand new engine.
>
> An overhaul (what's most likely advertised above) is usually rings,
> bearings, *Maybe* new pistons (depending), new seals and gaskets, and
> perhaps a valve job.   What you get back is likely to last 30 or 40
> thousand miles or maybe more, maybe less.   It's a tossup, depending on
> what was done and how carefully it was done and of course the
> condition the
> engine was in to start with.
>
>
> > Well.....ouch!  I can't afford that and I certainly can't do it
> >myself.  Does anyone have any recommendations?
>
> One option in your camp might be to consider learning about engine
> overhauling and may be give a shot at doing your engine at a later point
> along the way, after maybe securing a good useable replacement which I'll
> bet could be had for considerably less than 2K.
>
>
> Unfortunately, even a general purpose overhaul is gonna cost around 2K
> anymore (depending on who does it) and a genuine rebuild will cost
> considerably more, depending on what the engine needs.
>
>
>
>
> Me, I'd ask around for a good useable replacement engine, shake the bushes
> and see what's available.    This is as good a place to look as any.
> Keep in mind that if your engine is a 140/PG variant, and if you
> want to do
> a little wrenching (and if the 140 heads are OK) you could swap the 140
> heads onto a 110 engine which could likely be had a lot cheaper than
> another complete 140 engine.
>
> Or... save up, and have a good shop with a Vair reputation give you an
> estimate on an overhaul for your current 140 engine.
>
>
>
> tony..
>
>
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