<VV> CORSA Membership
Ron
ronh@owt.com
Thu Feb 3 22:45:07 EST 2005
It's the supposition and assertion that are the moot points right now and
the supposition that generates the assertion needs to be substantiated,
somehow.
RonH
----- Original Message -----
From: "Western Canada CORSA" <westerncanadacorsa@shaw.ca>
To: "Virtual Vairs" <virtualvairs@corvair.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 1:55 PM
Subject: RE: <VV> CORSA Membership
> FACT: CORSA lost 300 Members last year
> SUPPOSITION: One of the main causes is dissatisfaction with the Communique
> ASSERTIION: The Communique needs to be changed to attract AND KEEP new
> members
>
> If the above can proven to be TRUE then
> FACT: The status-quo will continue to result in a loss of members.
>
> Regards,
> Joel
>
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> [mailto:virtualvairs-admin@corvair.org]On Behalf Of Ron
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> Cc: corvairs@cybrus.net
> Subject: Re: <VV> CORSA Membership
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>
> Great scott, don't let any high schoolers get hold of it, we have a very
> respectable publication now with intelligent content. Modern blurred
> images
> with loud rock music in the background won't do a thing for 98% of us. I
> believe that the present publication is the best that can be done within
> the
> present budget constraints. Of course, some generous donations would be
> appreciated, I'm sure. The Communique has it's zing in terms of it's
> content and is trying to satisfy many different needs and desires within a
> very limited number of pages. I'll bet that doubling the dues to enable a
> fancier publication would turn off a lot more members than you say the
> Communique does.
> RonH
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Western Canada CORSA" <westerncanadacorsa@shaw.ca>
> To: <fastvair@yahoogroups.com>; <virtualvairs@corvair.org>
> Cc: <corvairs@cybrus.net>
> Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 12:47 PM
> Subject: <VV> CORSA Membership
>
>
>> Sure Bob,
>>
>> I'm going to be really, really blunt, with the hopes that it'll spark
>> some
>> debate.
>>
>> I know there are issues with the content, so I'll address them further
>> on.
>>
>> The appearance of the Communique is quite simply, dated. I mean really,
>> really, dated. The same 'ol graphic and square picture on a solid colour
>> background. High school yearbooks have better layouts. So, IMO, we've
>> got a mag that has zero zing in terms of eye appeal. This is a quickly
>> fixable item, because of the cheap and powerful software out there.
>>
>> As for the content.....
>>
>> It is my opinion that too much space is wasted on event reports. They
>> are
>> all the same: "it was sunny, there were Corvairs, we all had a great
>> time,
>> blah, blah, blah." I don't give a rat's ass about how much fun so and so
>> had in some place I've never heard of, ESPECIALLY when they are all
>> essentially the same, you just stop reading them. I understand the need
>> to acknowledge what's going on at the chapter level, but I think these
>> should be severely limited in the space they're allowed, to free up space
>> for more interesting items.
>>
>> The usual argument for the content in the Communique is that they can
>> only
>> print what is submitted. But as far as I know, there is no one actively
>> searching for content. When I wrote the WCC Newsletter, I kept my ear to
>> the ground for guys working on projects that other members would find
>> interesting. I'd pursue them to write an article for the newsletter. 9
>> times out of 10 they'd say "sure"! But if I had waited for the content
>> to
>> come to me, it never would have happened. The Communique needs the same
>> thing. Somebody that monitors the email lists looking for guys working
>> on
>> potentially interesting cars and projects. What about the convention for
>> finding article worthy 'vairs?
>>
>> Mike Weirmier's "Westbrier" is a perfect example. He has taken a clapped
>> out, covered in house paint, x-bell telephone van, and converted it into
>> a
>> '02 dark metallic mustang green, westfalia pop-top camper. The guys on
>> the FC list are getting dribs and drabs of his progress, but I can
>> guarentee you Mike hasn't given the idea of submitting an article to the
>> Communique a thought. I'll betcha if somebody from CORSA called/emailed
>> Mike asking him to write one, he'd say "yes".
>>
>> Further, I think an effort should be made to find some accomplished
>> photographers from within' CORSA's ranks. Here's my senario.
>>
>> Article Idea Finder Person (AIFP) from CORSA contacts Mike to ask him to
>> do a story on the "Westbrier", he says "yes". Next the AIFP consults a
>> list of volunteer photographers to see if there is anyone located nearby
>> that can arrainge for a session with Mike to get some good quality shots
>> of the Westbrier. THIS WOULD INCLUDE SHOTS WITH A SENSE OF MOVEMENT
>> WHERE
>> APPROPRIATE. Further, if Mike says "Yes" to the article, but "No" to
>> writing it (some people just aren't confident with their writing skills)
>> then AIFP can contact the local chapter Pres. to see if he knows someone
>> with a flair for words in that chapter.
>>
>> AIFP would only have to come up with 11 such articles per year AT MOST,
>> and it would really give the Communique a whole new readaability.
>>
>> Also realted to this. I think the Membership Committee, (and the soon to
>> be created AIFP), and other chairs that require enthusiasm, but not
>> necessarily knowledge (ie. the Historian and Technical chairs) should be
>> held by BoD members.
>>
>> If CORSA wants me to go out and contact all 50 people I signed up to find
>> out what % are still members, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY exactly why those that
>> didn't stay on chose to leave, I'll do it. But I'm telling you right now
>> that almost all are going to say the didn't like/find value/etc, etc in
>> the Communique. I may not have all the answers, any answers, or even the
>> right answers, but I am very confident in saying that if you want to
>> attract and keep new members to CORSA you have to start with the
>> Communique because it is one of the keys to the success or failure of the
>> organization.
>>
>> Just my 0.02
>> Regards,
>> Joel
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bobhelt@aol.com [mailto:bobhelt@aol.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 12:05 PM
>> To: fastvair@yahoogroups.com; westerncanadacorsa@shaw.ca;
>> virtualvairs@corvair.org
>> Subject: Re: [fastvair] Corsa Membership
>>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 2/3/05 12:31:41 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
>> westerncanadacorsa@shaw.ca writes:
>>
>>> But until the Communique is changed, in both appearance and content, you
>>> can bring all the new members to CORSA that you want, but if they don't
>>> like
>>> what they find, and to 90% of people that IS the Communique, then
>>> they're
>>> just
>>> not going to continue being members.
>>>
>>
>> Joel, Please explain and give us some details.
>> Thanks,
>> Bob Helt
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dfgiannotti@webtv.net [mailto:dfgiannotti@webtv.net]
>> Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 6:43 AM
>> To: fastvair@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [fastvair] Corsa Membership
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> By now most of you have read Sarah Jones " President's Message "..Her
>> concern is the rapidly declining membership, approx. 300 lost last
>> year..
>> This is a concern, what can be done??
>> I would like to poll this group, then send
>> our suggestions on to the BOD..
>> I will start if off...
>> 1. Hire or recruit a Publicity
>> Chairman..
>> Someone to promote Conventions,
>> Track Events, Shows, etc. outside
>> of Corsa.. Advertise Events in
>> magazines, radio, newspapers, etc. Let the
>> general public know we exist, basically we only
>> promote the Corvair Events within
>> our ranks..Set a budget for outside
>> advertising...
>> 2. Schedule printouts of Corsa Events
>> inserted in the MAY Issue
>> for copy usuage..These could also include
>> membership forms.....
>> Flyers can be handed out at
>> Cruise-in's, Shows, etc.
>> We are not getting the word out to the general
>> public that we exist..
>> Thats my .02 cents, whats yours??
>>
>> Dan
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