<VV> Hydrogen (HHO) Generator - No Corvair

[Roger Gault]

This is not a crap shoot, this is a shell game.
It cannot be won.  It not only violates conservation of energy, it violates
common sense.  Energy is like money, you can't take more out of the bank
than you put in.

The HHO system is slightly less useful than the Legumous NN Fixation
Supercharging System.  In this system the intake charge is passed over a
planter full of high energy bean plants.  The nitrogen fixing bacteria in
the root nodules of these plants remove most of the nitrogen from the air,
increasing the amount of oxygen per cubic foot of air.  With this high
oxygen air, more fuel can be burned per engine cycle.  This is exactly
equivalent to supercharging the engine, but without the attendant pumping
loss increases and mechanical load on the engine inherent in the old-school
supercharging systems.  For those who are willing to accept slightly
increased engine noise, the additional power allows half of the spark plugs
to be removed, halving the effective displacement of the engine, further
reducing pumping losses.  Thus, efficiency increases.

;-)
  Roger

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill H." <gojoe283 at yahoo.com>
To: "Bill Elliott" <corvair at fnader.com>
Cc: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: <VV> Hydrogen (HHO) Generator


>                                         B"H
>
> Bill:  I understand what you're saying.  I watched a
> guy on YouTube installing an HHO generator on his '91
> F-150 truck.  His mileage went down slightly, but he
> believed this was due to the O2 sensor on his engine
> adjusting the fuel-air ratio based on what was coming
> out of the exhaust.  He's planning on re-routing the
> HHO output to a vacuum line instead of the intake
> airstream.  This may do something along the lines you
> suggest about volumetric efficiency, but again, I
> agree it's a crap shoot at this stage of the
> technology.
>
> On a non-computer car, we do have the ability to tweak
> fuel/air ratios mechanically, and if the engine will
> run smoothly on a leaner mixture of fuel, there may be
> some savings.
>
> Regards...Bill
>
> --- Bill Elliott <corvair at fnader.com> wrote:
>
> > Small physics problem with creating your own
> > hydrogen.
> >
> > Hydrogen is an energy storage medium, not energy
> > itself.  It takes
> > significant energy (7-11 amps from the websites)  to
> > produce hydrogen
> > from water and the potential energy contained in
> > that hydrogen after
> > separating it from water is less than the energy it
> > took to separate it
> > (the process not being 100% efficient... the
> > websites even talk about
> > the heat generated from this process...that  is lost
> > energy).
> >
> > Unless the use of the hydrogen could significantly
> > raise the volumetric
> > efficiency of the engine (so that the potential
> > energy of the hydrogen
> > as gasoline could be better captured) enough to make
> > up for the power
> > loss in producing the hydrogen (not a claim I've
> > seen made), it would
> > seem to me you would always be in a net loss
> > situation. That 7-11 amps
> > have to comes from somewhere...
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > Bill H. wrote:
> >
> > >                                           B"H
> > >
> > >Does anyone have any experience with HHO generators
> > >("Brown's Gas) on Corvair engines?  Or any engines?
> > >
> > >Like everyone else, I'm trying to get as much value
> > >out of a gallon as gas today (with gas now at $4.
> > >here).
> > >
> > >The literature I've read about allows the engine to
> > >burn hydrogen gas, improving fuel economy.  Other
> > >benefits touted by some users (and the vendors of
> > >these sytems) include:  smoother idling, and the
> > >ability to use lower octane gas (or getting higher
> > >octane from your persent fuel useage).
> > >
> > >My assumption is that I'd be able to lean the carbs
> > >using the idle mixture screw, and using leaner jets
> > >for the high-speed circuits.
> > >
> > >Sounds attractive.  Easy to install and can be
> > removed
> > >if you don't like what it's doing.  And in theory
> > it
> > >would pay for itself in a few months.
> > >
> > >Thanks guys...Bill Hershkowitz 69 Monza Coupe 110
> > PG
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
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