<VV> VirtualVairs Digest, Vol 40, Issue 57

Gary Rinehart doduckinn at centurytel.net
Sat May 10 12:52:00 EDT 2008


Thank you Matt, you described the symptoms perfectly.  I had decided that 
was the trouble.  But you got to believe it sounds so much more validated 
from someone with more experience with Corvairs. (I had just returned from a 
"Spirited" run on the freeway)  Thanks again.

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>   1. Re: turn signals, brake lights and confused!!! (J R Read_HML)
>   2. Re: Drive your Corvair Day (Dennis PLEAU)
>   3. Drive your Corvair humor (J R Read_HML)
>   4. Firestone... (Eric Prosise)
>   5. Re: Drive your Corvair humor (AeroNed at aol.com)
>   6. Re: turn signals, brake lights and confused!!! (Frank DuVal)
>   7. Oil pressure light (Gary Rinehart)
>   8. Re: turn signals, brake lights and confused!!! (Ron)
>   9. Re: Oil pressure light (Matt Nall)
>  10. Re: Bulbs burn out quickly? (Matt Nall)
>  11. Re: Bulbs burn out quickly? (Dennis PLEAU)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 20:14:33 -0500
> From: "J R Read_HML" <hmlinc at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: <VV> turn signals, brake lights and confused!!!
> To: "VirtualVairs AA" <VirtualVairs at corvair.org>, "pat whats-her-name"
> <patsbuick350 at yahoo.com>
> Message-ID: <00b301c8b23b$368416e0$6501a8c0 at OFFICEDELL>
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> pab, likely the brake light/turn light is a separate issue form the dash
> lights
>
> Brake/turn:  What bulb are you using?  Is it 1157?  Should be.  Has 2
> filaments, one for tail light and one (brighter) for brake/turn.  Proper
> operation of turn signal would be that it flashes whether or not you are
> stepping on the brake pedal.  The opposite side brake light would (should)
> be steady on when you brake.
>
> If you are using 1157 bulbs, which filament is burning out?  It is 
> entirely
> possible that the wires (2) to the RR are reversed at some point - so that
> the brake/turn filament is operating as the tail light and the tail light 
> is
> taking a heavier load than it should for brake/turn operation and that is
> what causes early failure.  Does the RR tail light seem unusually bright?
> That would be a clue.
>
> On the dash, are the bulbs in place?  Are they in operable condition? 
> Have
> you tried turning the headlight switch back and forth (while in one of the 
> 2
> "on" positions)?  It is the dimmer for the dash.  Maybe it is set all the
> way down?  Maybe the rheostat in the switch is a bit tired (rusty) and in
> need of some exercise?  Give it several twists (a dozen or more) and see 
> if
> it comes back to life - at least partially.  Finally, a very common 
> problem
> with the LM dash lights is a poor ground.  There is a metal strap on the
> back side of the plastic dash which comes down to the bottom of the dash a
> couple of inches left of the steering column.  It needs to be clean and
> secured with an appropriate size (also clean) screw at the lower lip of 
> the
> dash.
>
> Some things to check.  Let us know what you try and what does or does not
> solve the problem(s).
>
> Later, JR
> CCE CORSA CORVANANTICS SCG member
> '61 Rampside Standard 4/110
> '65 Monza Convertible 4/140
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "pat whats-her-name" <patsbuick350 at yahoo.com>
> To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 5:59 PM
> Subject: <VV> turn signals, brake lights and confused!!!
>
>
>> Hello everyone,
>> my 65 monza ct just got a brand new engine harness. everything worked
>> great until this afternoon. took her for a little spin and when i put on
>> the right turn signal it worked, until i used the brake pedal.....then it
>> stopped. the indicator in the dash stayed lit constantly, as soon as i 
>> let
>> off the brake it started to flash again. also now i am loosing the right
>> brake light....the bulb keeps burning out after a few times applying the
>> brakes.  Also one more question...i've had this car for about 8 months 
>> and
>> as I have said before the wiring under the dash is horrible. I have not
>> had any instrument(dash lights) since I've gotten the car. I have 
>> courtesy
>> lights, and glove box light, but nothing else.  WHERE DO I BEGIN!!!! At
>> this time a under dash harness is beyond my budget.....maybe next year.
>> The previous owner(s) really butchered the wiring under there..splices
>> everywhere. any help or suggestion as to where to start.
>>
>> pat
>> 65 monza ct
>>
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 19:30:07 -0600
> From: Dennis PLEAU <ddpleau at msn.com>
> Subject: Re: <VV> Drive your Corvair Day
> To: <lonzovair at aol.com>, <aeroned at aol.com>, <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
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> Scary, he designs airplanes for a living.  A few of this type of errors 
> and we could be in trouble........ <ggg>
>
>> From: LonzoVair at aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 16:46:17 -0400> To: 
>> AeroNed at aol.com; virtualvairs at corvair.org> Subject: Re: <VV> Drive your 
>> Corvair Day> > Ned, that would be 39 years ago.....> :-)> Lonzo "Not bad 
>> with numbers... but better than Ned"> > > > In a message dated 5/9/2008 
>> 3:21:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > aeroned at aol.com writes:> > > Rather 
>> than wait and ask if you drove your Corvair after the fact...> > May 
>> 14th, next Wednesday, is "Drive Your Corvair Day." I think it's the > 
>> anniversary of the end of production, 49 years ago.> > Ned
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 20:38:29 -0500
> From: "J R Read_HML" <hmlinc at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: <VV> Drive your Corvair humor
> To: "Dennis PLEAU" <ddpleau at msn.com>, <lonzovair at aol.com>,
> <aeroned at aol.com>, <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
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> Yeah....  But he's smart enough NOT to fly in them <GRIN>
> Later, JR
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dennis PLEAU" <ddpleau at msn.com>
> To: <lonzovair at aol.com>; <aeroned at aol.com>; <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 8:30 PM
> Subject: Re: <VV> Drive your Corvair Day
>
>
> Scary, he designs airplanes for a living.  A few of this type of errors 
> and
> we could be in trouble........ <ggg>
>
>> From: LonzoVair at aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 16:46:17 -0400> To:
>> AeroNed at aol.com; virtualvairs at corvair.org> Subject: Re: <VV> Drive your
>> Corvair Day> > Ned, that would be 39 years ago.....> :-)> Lonzo "Not bad
>> with numbers... but better than Ned"> > > > In a message dated 5/9/2008
>> 3:21:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > aeroned at aol.com writes:> > > Rather
>> than wait and ask if you drove your Corvair after the fact...> > May 
>> 14th,
>> next Wednesday, is "Drive Your Corvair Day." I think it's the >
>> anniversary of the end of production, 49 years ago.> > Ned
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 02:13:50 +0000
> From: Eric Prosise <eprosise at hotmail.com>
> Subject: <VV> Firestone...
> To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>, <gyoungwolf at earthlink.net>
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>
> Grant -
> What was the date code on the tires?  What type of car?   Have any 
> pictures of the separation?
> Eric
> (Former Quality Engineer for tire company)
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 22:52:34 EDT
> From: AeroNed at aol.com
> Subject: Re: <VV> Drive your Corvair humor
> To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
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> Yea, yea...some days I feel 10 years older and today's one of those  days.
>
> And yes, I still haven't flown in one of "my" airplanes....
> Ned
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 23:00:06 -0400
> From: Frank DuVal <corvairduval at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: <VV> turn signals, brake lights and confused!!!
> To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
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> Is the filament actually burning out in the right brake lamp, or does it
> just start working after you put a new bulb in?
>
> The classic answer with any lamp not working question (brake, turn,
> running, tail, etc) is to check the ground. These late model sockets are
> famous for having the ground shell come loose from the plastic socket.
> Also the taillamp housing to body connection can develop rust and cause
> havoc.
>
> Frank DuVal
>
> pat whats-her-name wrote:
>
>>Hello everyone,
>>my 65 monza ct just got a brand new engine harness. everything worked 
>>great until this afternoon. took her for a little spin and when i put on 
>>the right turn signal it worked, until i used the brake pedal.....then it 
>>stopped. the indicator in the dash stayed lit constantly, as soon as i let 
>>off the brake it started to flash again. also now i am loosing the right 
>>brake light....the bulb keeps burning out after a few times applying the 
>>brakes.  Also one more question...i've had this car for about 8 months and 
>>as I have said before the wiring under the dash is horrible. I have not 
>>had any instrument(dash lights) since I've gotten the car. I have courtesy 
>>lights, and glove box light, but nothing else.  WHERE DO I BEGIN!!!! At 
>>this time a under dash harness is beyond my budget.....maybe next year. 
>>The previous owner(s) really butchered the wiring under there..splices 
>>everywhere. any help or suggestion as to where to start.
>>
>>pat
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 20:11:16 -0700
> From: "Gary Rinehart" <doduckinn at centurytel.net>
> Subject: <VV> Oil pressure light
> To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
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> I missed about a month of threads.  No doubt it was discussed, sorry.
> Last weekend, the dreaded "light" appeared.  | think it said "Pres/Temp".
> Fortunately, it appeared just as I was pulling into my driveway.  Please 
> tell me it is not bad!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 20:25:57 -0700
> From: "Ron" <ronh at owt.com>
> Subject: Re: <VV> turn signals, brake lights and confused!!!
> To: "Frank DuVal" <corvairduval at cox.net>, <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
> Message-ID: <002001c8b24d$901b6700$c9ee9240 at YOUR76500D519C>
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> reply-type=original
>
> And also, how could the new bulbs possibly be burning out as there's no 
> more
> than battery (and bulb) voltage anywhere in the system?
> RonH
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Frank DuVal" <corvairduval at cox.net>
> To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 8:00 PM
> Subject: Re: <VV> turn signals, brake lights and confused!!!
>
>
>> Is the filament actually burning out in the right brake lamp, or does it
>> just start working after you put a new bulb in?
>>
>> The classic answer with any lamp not working question (brake, turn,
>> running, tail, etc) is to check the ground. These late model sockets are
>> famous for having the ground shell come loose from the plastic socket.
>> Also the taillamp housing to body connection can develop rust and cause
>> havoc.
>>
>> Frank DuVal
>>
>> pat whats-her-name wrote:
>>
>>>Hello everyone,
>>>my 65 monza ct just got a brand new engine harness. everything worked
>>>great until this afternoon. took her for a little spin and when i put on
>>>the right turn signal it worked, until i used the brake pedal.....then it
>>>stopped. the indicator in the dash stayed lit constantly, as soon as i 
>>>let
>>>off the brake it started to flash again. also now i am loosing the right
>>>brake light....the bulb keeps burning out after a few times applying the
>>>brakes.  Also one more question...i've had this car for about 8 months 
>>>and
>>>as I have said before the wiring under the dash is horrible. I have not
>>>had any instrument(dash lights) since I've gotten the car. I have 
>>>courtesy
>>>lights, and glove box light, but nothing else.  WHERE DO I BEGIN!!!! At
>>>this time a under dash harness is beyond my budget.....maybe next year.
>>>The previous owner(s) really butchered the wiring under there..splices
>>>everywhere. any help or suggestion as to where to start.
>>>
>>>pat
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 23:28:34 -0400
> From: Matt Nall <patiomatt at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: <VV> Oil pressure light
> To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
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> You are joking? right? Read your owners manual!!!
>
> I cannot remember ever having to explain the light in 9 yrs. here...
>
> so, if you are serious..
>
> TEMP / PRESS light comes on IF
>
> PRESS oil pressure is below 5-7 psi [ common on a HOT engine with THIN
> oil and at idle] but as long as it goes OFF as soon as the engine is
> rev'd.. you're fine!
>
> You still have some oil pressure..but quickly the lifters will start
> clacking...if not rev'd up..
>
> IF it stays on in Neutral, with engine held at 2000 rpm [ approx. ] and
> doesn't go off after a few minutes....then the TEMP function is warning
> you that the HEADS are too hot...
>
> IF the Fanbelt had come off then the ALT/GEN light should illuminate....
>
> To determine if your engine really is TOO HOT grab the Oil Dipstick
> ...to hot to hold onto? it's OVERHEATED.
>
> Our cars are 40 years old... the TEMP switch triggers at a lower temp
> as it ages...until it will come on and stay on.
>
> To TEST which one is causing the Light:
>
> open engine lid.... look for Fuel pump in center rear...look so
> left...WIRE!! pull this off and go look at light.... thisis the Oil
> Pressure Switch
>
> I hope this does help someone!
>
>
> Matt Nall
> Webspace: http://members.aol.com/patiomatt
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Rinehart <doduckinn at centurytel.net>
> Last weekend, the dreaded "light" appeared. | think it said "Pres/Temp".
> Fortunately, it appeared just as I was pulling into my driveway. Please
> tell me
> it is not bad!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 23:31:50 -0400
> From: Matt Nall <patiomatt at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: <VV> Bulbs burn out quickly?
> To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
> Message-ID: <8CA8065843CBDA7-CB8-1DB3 at webmail-nd05.sysops.aol.com>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron <ronh at owt.com>
> And also, how could the new bulbs possibly be burning out as there's no
> more
> than battery (and bulb) voltage anywhere in the system?
> RonH
>
> =========================================
> When the Filament is used as a Current Path..... it doesn't lst long
>
>
> Matt Nall
> Webspace: http://members.aol.com/patiomatt
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 21:37:35 -0600
> From: Dennis PLEAU <ddpleau at msn.com>
> Subject: Re: <VV> Bulbs burn out quickly?
> To: Matt Nall <patiomatt at aol.com>, <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
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> As an electronic technician by training, I would like you to explain your 
> answer using Ohms law.> When the Filament is used as a Current Path..... 
> it doesn't lst long> > > Matt Nall
>
> Dennis
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