<VV> Winning Corvair Parts

Mon Feb 16 14:10:24 EST 2009

All:  If you are talking about Corvair Parts on winning endurance race cars,
you must include the  12 hrs of Sebring (March 65), the 1966 1000K at the
Nurburgring (June 66) and the season ending BOAC 500 (July 67) endurance
race at Brands Hatch in England.  All won by a Chaparral 2, 2D and 2F
respectively.

Historically Yours,
                   James Rice

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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 19:54:04 EST
From: Sethracer at aol.com
Subject: Re: <VV> Corvair in LeMans?
To: Donnellyf7 at aol.com, virtualvairs at corvair.org

In a message dated 2/15/2009 3:49:32 PM Pacific Standard Time,
Donnellyf7 at aol.com writes:

Did  General Motors ever enter a Corvair in a Lemans race?  If so, how   did
the car do?

Well GM never entered a Corvair at LeMans, But the 1960 Corvair taillights
won at LeMans - when mounted on a Ford! Evidence of this is still on the
rear
of the 1967 LeMans winning Ford GT, on display at the Greenfield  Village
Museum in Dearborn. There was no Corvair in the movie "LeMans" either,  but
one
did appear in the Disney movie "Herbie goes to Monte Carlo". Look  quick!

Last year a 1965 Corvair was entered at the "24 hours of Lemons" race at
Thunderhill Park. Not sure where it finished.

Seth  Emerson

C's the Day! - Corvair, Camaro, Corvette, Cast  member

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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 20:00:56 -0500
From: John Dozsa <jdozsa at carr.org>
Subject: Re: <VV> More on Idea number 1
To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
Message-ID: <4998BAC8.60108 at carr.org>
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Good idea Bob but ....

CORSA is a non-profit but it NOT, repeat NOT, a charitable organization.
  Therefore any contribution made to CORSA will NOT, repeat NOT, be
deductible on personal federal income taxes.  Similarly any estate
contributions will NOT have any favorable tax treatment.  Give any money
you want to CORSA but don't expect any tax benefits.

CPF is charitable organization.  Contributions to it have favorable tax
treatment.  But because of the way CPF is chartered and it's documents
submitted to the IRS requesting charitable status there is no legal way
contributions to CPF can benefit CORSA.  At best contributions to CPF
could reduce any subsidy of CPF by CORSA.

John Dozsa

> Subject:
> <VV> More on Idea number 1
> From:
> BobHelt at aol.com
> Date:
> Sun, 15 Feb 2009 17:52:00 EST
> To:
> corsabod at corvair.org, virtualvairs at corvair.org
>
> To:
> corsabod at corvair.org, virtualvairs at corvair.org
>
>
>
> Set CORSA up as a non-profit so that contributions  can be made to it.
Then
> ASK that members include CORSA in their wills. Ask for  money to be left
to
> CORSA. Set up endowment programs like the charities do who  receive large
cash
> investments and return small payments over time to the  investors. Then,
present
> the financial problems to the members and again, ASK  for contributions
from
> current members (while still alive). Run a regular  program of asking for
> contributions just like PBS does and all the charities do.  Ask the
Chapters to
> help.

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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 20:02:40 EST
From: PatioMatt at aol.com
Subject: Re: <VV> More on Idea number 1
To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
Message-ID: <d39.428bde06.36ca1530 at aol.com>
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In a message dated 2/15/2009 5:00:38 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
jdozsa at carr.org writes:

Good idea Bob but ....

CORSA is a non-profit but it NOT, repeat  NOT, a charitable organization.
Therefore any contribution made to  CORSA will NOT, repeat NOT, be
deductible on personal federal income  taxes.  Similarly any estate
contributions will NOT have any  favorable tax treatment.  Give any money
you want to CORSA but don't  expect any tax benefits.

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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 20:17:50 -0500
From: Ed Dowds <ed_dowds at hotmail.com>
Subject: <VV>  65 Corsa shuts down
To: virtual vairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
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Carl-Check the large red wire going in and out of the connector on the
driver's side front of the engine compartment. The #10 red wire goes thru
this connector and can get corrosion on the contacts. Some people bypass the
connector by soldering the red wire in the engine compartment to the red
wire on the other side of the connector going forward. This red wire
supplies ALL of the 12 volt power going to the front of the car.
Ed
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 20:23:57 -0500
From: jeandelucca at aol.com
Subject: <VV> 63 turbo pcv valve and heater smells
To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
Message-ID: <8CB5DEC5F9D4DE3-BF0-1015 at WEBMAIL-DC12.sysops.aol.com>
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where and what is the pcv valve system on my 63 turbo 150 and what service
does it require? i have gone through my shop manual and it only shows the
regular system like on my 102 hp. also, my heater smells. the engine appears
extremely dry- no apparent oil leaks nor sounds of exhaust leaks. the smell
does not seem to be hot or burnt oil nor gasoline, before i dig into the
exhaust manifolds and packings i would be open to suggestions. i have only
owned this car since august. all hoses are in place and in good condition.
thanks, jim

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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 19:25:10 -0600
From: "Rob Landers" <CorsaRob at charter.net>
Subject: <VV> 501(c)(3) and 501(c)(7) - WAS  More on Idea number 1
To: "'Dennis Pleau'" <dpleau at wavecable.com>,
	<virtualvairs at corvair.org>
Message-ID: <57D4FCB5364A47C2A703BF8EE8ED62B9 at RRLLaptop>
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And the recent exchanges on VV are why most people who've ever been a part
of trying to actually manage an organization, understand why VV is not
really a good place to discuss the operation of a club.

Volunteer organizations are, by their very nature, hard to effectively
manage.  Volunteer committees rarely function well without "autonomous
decisions" being made by chairpersons and a handful of devoted confidants.

However, when you add what amounts to little more than a "chat room" to the
"noise level"... distortion and confusion reign.  And to top it off, a lot
of time is then spent trying to explain "reality" to those who have never
been in a position of management.  I believe Tim did a good job this morning
explaining about 10% of what has been considered but it would take a book
the size of "Love and War" to truly explain everything that has gone on
within CORSA the past 10 years.

People, do you really think all of the CORSA directors that you, and others,
have elected over the course of almost 40 years were clueless?  There have
been a lot of good people elected to the BoD... some were effective, some
were not.  But I assure you that all found out very quickly that "reality
bites" (apologies to Hank for borrowing his favorite catch phrase) and
without extensive effort, very little can be accomplished.

Suggestions and great ideas are a dime a dozen... organization and action
take a real investment.  Just like suggestions to do "this" and do "that",
the most recent posts regarding IRS statutes have very little actual basis
behind them.  If anyone cares to look (heaven forbid, we would let FACTS
(reality) get in the way of an "excellent suggestion"), please read these
two IRS documents and you will understand why CORSA is a 501(c)(7) and
thanks to the insight/wisdom by those in charge (just for the record, not
me), the CPF was created to take advantage of the 501(c)(3) designation.

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p557.pdf   See pages 25 and 48.

http://www.irs.gov/charities/charitable/article/0,,id=175418,00.html  CPF
qualified but not without a carefully-worded by-laws document.  Nowadays, it
costs $750 to apply plus the cost of a good lawyer, with the appropriate
knowledge, to write your app and by-laws very well... and still, the IRS can
deny your request.  We should be thankful those in charge back when the CPF
was formed were "good enough" to get it done.

Here's an executive summary for all those who want to be in management.
There are 5 major revenue/expense drivers.

Dues Revenue
Club Management Expense
Communiqu? Editorial/Publishing Expense
Communiqu? Printing Expense
Communiqu? Postage Expense

And you will notice Insurance expense is not in there as it's less than $2
per member.

I like Bob's idea for an Intermediate book but we need volunteers to do it.
And even then, is it anything more than a "short-term" fix as defined by so
many of you out here?  Seems to me most any action we do is short-term and
there's nothing wrong with that... we just have to keep the flow of
"short-term" solutions coming in and that has not been possible the last 5
years... or for that matter, since CORSA's inception.  We've done what we
could and that has staved off the need for dues increases sooner.

The real problem is the same "expense pie" is being spread over less and
less members.

Either dues per member are increased or we get more members to fix that side
of the equation.

On the expense side, the only way to decrease is to cut the number of
Communiqu?s per year and/or change the method of delivery and at this time,
the general consensus was that dues could be increased so that we can keep
getting it monthly.

I don't claim to have the answers... only the background (including many,
many hours) to understand why a dues increase is the only solution available
for 2009.  I hold out hope for other initiatives that generate revenue but
again, over the past 20-years a lot of very talented people have tried to
address this without much success.  We are what we are... a car club focused
on a vehicle that was only built for 10 years and abandoned by its maker
soon thereafter.  Our current membership is aging (okay dying) and the
number of cars available for new enthusiasts gets smaller everyday.  Add to
that the relatively low cost of our cars has caused a great deal of us to
own multiple nice examples.  Compared to 20 years ago, how many of us now
own more nice Corvairs than we did back then?

Just some more thoughts (and some FACTS) to add to the noise of this "chat
room".

Rob Landers
CORSA BoD 1995-2001
CORSA Treasurer most of that time
CORSA Finance Committee 2001- Present
CORSA Member since 1982

-----Original Message-----
From: virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org
[mailto:virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Pleau
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 6:09 PM
To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
Subject: Re: <VV> More on Idea number 1

Under the IRS code, CORSA doesn't qualify as a (C) (3).  Although we have
recent learned IRS laws are just suggestions.  The CPF qualifies and is a
(c) (3).

Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org
[mailto:virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org] On Behalf Of henry kaczmarek
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 3:48 PM
To: BobHelt at aol.com; corsabod at corvair.org; virtualvairs at corvair.org
Subject: Re: <VV> More on Idea number 1

the money to CORSA.

If CORSA isn't already a 501 (c) (3) non profit, a whole bunch of people on
the BoD are asleep at the switch, and that goes back a long time.

Hank

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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 20:30:28 -0500
From: Hal <hihal at roadrunner.com>
Subject: Re: <VV> Posting
To: carl at pcxcomputers.com, VirtualVairs at corvair.org
Message-ID:
	<bad685390902151730r56a0feabtba7b0314222bbc53 at mail.gmail.com>
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Your post was on VV just fine. Your electrical problem is probably one of
two connectors from the dashboard area to the engine compartment in the
back. The front connector is near the fuse box behind the dash.  The other
connector at the end of this
wire loom is in the engine compartment on the driver side and is near where
the battery cable goes to the starter. This loom has a dozen or so wires and
the large red wire carries 12V to most every part of the car except for the
starter. Separate the connectors and clean the connection. This should cure
your problem. To make the solution more permanent, hardwire the large red
wire around the connector. 99% of the time, this will solve the symptoms you
describe.

On 2/15/09, Carl Wager <carl at pcxcomputers.com> wrote:
>
> I am trying to find out how to make a posting.  My 65 Corsa shuts down
> electrically.  I mean graveyard dead.  No lights, no radio, no engine -
> just
> nothing.  I cannot find the reason.  It would appears as some type of
> system
> circuit shutdown.  The battery is new.  All connections are tight.
> Yesterday, I decided to check all connections as it had been dead since
> Wednesday.  I turned on the key and the radio so when I found it I would
> know.  In two minutes the system all came alive.  Worked fine all
> day.  This
> morning, it was again dead.  I put the key in and turned it to on.  The
> radio came on after about 30 seconds.  If I turned on the lights, the
> system
> went dead.  Turned off the lights and the radio started playing.  After
> about 2 minutes, the whole system was backup.  Lights, radio, engines -
the
> works.  Someone has to have had this before. Please let me know how to go
> about posting.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Carl Wager
>
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 20:11:28 -0600
From: "Rob Landers" <CorsaRob at charter.net>
Subject: <VV> "Love and War" reference should be "War and Peace"...
To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
Message-ID: <3E4A6DEAD78442699FF732D2BEC1A0C5 at RRLLaptop>
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Not sure what Harlequin romance book I was thinking of but was trying to
reference Tolstoy's classic.

Rob Landers

<<snipped>>
I believe Tim did a good job this morning
explaining about 10% of what has been considered but it would take a book
the size of "Love and War" to truly explain everything that has gone on
within CORSA the past 10 years.
<<snipped>>

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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 21:24:18 EST
From: Thesuperscribe at cs.com
Subject: Re: <VV> Road salt vs. none
To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
Message-ID: <cac.4a7dec06.36ca2852 at cs.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

Because I live in Ohio (and grew up in Wisconsin), and have experienced
winter conditions in other places, I think I understand why they use road
salt in
most of the Midwest and East but not Idaho and elsewhere in the West. It's
the
climate(s).

Here the winters are not only cold much of the time but often damp. After
snow and freezing rain falls, they stay 'til we get a thaw. That might not
come
for weeks, and a deep freeze often ensues first. If a municipality doesn't
have
a lot of equipment for its size (like the City of Columbus), they can't get
the snow clear from the side streets, especially, before it begins
hardening.

In many places out West the air is consistantly dry (especially at higher
altitudes, like Colorado Springs), and it can warm up in a day or two or
three
and start melting or sublimating (evaporating straight into the air). Crews
can
spread some sand and that'll be good because the snow will soon begin
disappearing. Yes, they have to plow, but once it's scraped close to the
pavement the
sun will take care of it.

I get as irked as anybody when I see that a municipal or state crew has
grossly oversalted or sprayed brine on a Thursday or Friday because a little
snow
is forecast during the weekend and the department wants to save some
overtime.
Now you got me started.

--Tom in Ohio

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In a message dated 2/15/2009 6:44:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,
virtualvairs-request at corvair.org writes:
>
> For my money, they could just skip the salt and require people to use
> snow/ice tires. (OH NO, We couldn't force people to spend money)  I have
> snow/ice tires on two of my vehicles and they're amazing. My third
> winter-equipped vehicle has studded snow tires and they don't work
> nearly as
> well.  "All Season Tires" are a joke.  The Canadian DOT produced a video
> on
> all season tires and showed how they harden beginning at temperatures
> below
> 45 degrees and asked viewers to imagine a rock-hard hockey puck on
> sliding
> on ice vs. a rubber sponge (snow/ice tires) that develop decent traction
> on
> the same ice. Believe me, a $400 set of ice tires is far, far less
> expensive
> than replacing your vehicle due to rust out.  Our 10-year old Astro van
> still looks almost new underneath where a '97 Astro in Ohio is all done;
> Ohioans have to buy a new van, I still have 10 more years in mine - all
> due
> to not using salt in our area.  Also, because they barely use salt here
> in
> North Idaho, I can drive my Corvair in the winter with little concern.
> On
> the other hand, rusted out cars support the auto and salt industries so
> I
> guess they'll just keep on salting away.
>
> Craig Nicol

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