<VV> Fw: Re: The EM vs LM thing
Kenneth E Pepke
kenpepke at juno.com
Sat May 2 15:06:00 EDT 2009
Right Bill, but if I had said that 'someone' would have demanded
I prove the volume of the rear seat area of EM and LM Corvairs
with or without the rear seats :-[
Ken P
On Fri, 01 May 2009 13:56:58 -0400 Bill Elliott <corvair at fnader.com>
writes:
> If you're going to get "official", you're both wrong (well,
> technically,
> Ken is correct, but for the wrong reasons.):
>
> "The Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) distinguishes a coupé
> from a
> sedan primarily by interior volume; SAE standard J1100 defines a
> coupé
> as a fixed-roof automobile with less than 33 cubic feet (0.93 cubic
> meters) of rear interior volume. A car with a greater interior
> volume is
> technically a two-door sedan, not a coupé, even if it has only two
> doors."
>
> Bill
>
> airvair at earthlink.net wrote:
>
> >Ken,
> >
> >For someone who's as close to the auto industry as you, you are
> woefully
> >deluded. You need to get yourself an automotive dictionary. The
> industry
> >definition of a sedan is as I said. It has nothing to do with rows
> of
> >seats. Under your "definitions" would removing the back seat in my
> 4door
> >hardtop make it a coupe? I don't think so......
> >
> >-Mark
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>[Original Message]
> >>From: Kenneth E Pepke <kenpepke at juno.com>
> >>To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
> >>Date: 4/30/2009 8:20:46 AM
> >>Subject: <VV> Fw: Re: The EM vs LM thing
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>This is not all that difficult ... in North America ...
> >>
> >>A coupe is a vehicle with one row of seats, Period.
> >>
> >>A sedan is a vehicle with two rows of seats, Period.
> >>
> >>All Corvair cars [not to include FCs] are sedans from the factory.
> >>
> >>EM Corvairs came in:
> >> 2 door [pillar] sedans.
> >> 4 door [pillar] sedans.
> >> 2 door [pillarless] convertible sedans.
> >> 4 door [pillar / extended roof] sedans commonly
> >> referred to as station wagons.
> >>
> >>LM Corvairs came in:
> >> 2 door [pillarless] sedans commonly referred to
> >> as hardtops.
> >> 4 door [pillarless] sedans commonly referred to
> >> as 'sport sedans.'
> >> 2 door [pillarless] convertible sedans.
> >>
> >>Over the years some Corvairs have been modified by
> >>removing the area of the front or rear seat. Now with one
> >>row of seats these vehicles qualify as either:
> >>
> >> 2 door coupes [steel fixed tops and roll up windows]
> >> 2 door roadsters [soft or removable top but without
> >> roll up windows.]
> >> 2 door coupe convertibles [soft or removable top
> >> and roll up windows.]
> >>
> >>Additional modifications I have seen are:
> >> 4 door sedan convertibles [soft top and roll up
> windows.]
> >> 4 door extended wheelbase limousine [three or more rows
> >> of seats even if only two rows of seats are installed.]
> >>
> >>Ken P
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 01:09:48 -0400 "airvair at earthlink.net"
> >><airvair at earthlink.net> writes:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Definately prefer late models, because they are all hardtops.
> None
> >>>are
> >>>sedans. Hardtops are sleeker without that "B" pillar. Must be why
> >>>the
> >>>hardtop was always considered the premium body style.
> >>>
> >>>I presently own two LM 4doors and a LM convert, all '67's. Over
> the
> >>>years
> >>>I've owned 13 4doors, 4 convertables, 17 2doors, and 3
> Greenbriers.
> >>>Only
> >>>one of the 4doors was a sedan. Of those, 11 were '67's, 5 were
> >>>'69's, 11
> >>>were '66's, 6 were '65's, and one each of '64 and '68 (the
> 'briers
> >>>were all
> >>>'64's).
> >>>
> >>>Wouldn't mind owning a '62 Monza wagon and a '65 Greenbrier
> deluxe
> >>>8-door.
> >>>But now I'm dreaming...... (G)
> >>>
> >>>-Mark
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>[Original Message]
> >>>>From: Robert Marlow <Vairtec at optonline.net>
> >>>>Subject: <VV> The EM vs LM thing
> >>>>
> >>>>So tell me, what do you own?
> >>>>
> >>>>Early model only
> >>>>Late model only
> >>>>FC only
> >>>>Early and late
> >>>>Early and FC
> >>>>Late and FC
> >>>>Early, late and FC
> >>>>
> >>>>--Bob
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
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