<VV> 66 Monza Pilot #22

Rvblohm at aol.com Rvblohm at aol.com
Tue Jul 6 19:36:27 EDT 2010


Seeing the story about pilot # 23 reminded me I had a 66 pilot no. car,so I 
 looked through my old body tags and found #22. I bought the car from a 
body shop  in Safety Harbor, FL. as a parts car in the late 70's (approx). It 
already had  several body panels removed so it wasn't a candidate for 
restoration at that  time.
The WRN was #3 and ID was 105376W100011, paint L-L, TR792. Inside trim was  
65 and had remote mirror.
Roger Blohm  _rvblohm at aol.com_ (mailto:rvblohm at aol.com)  
 
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Today's  Topics:

1. Re: Lower Ball Joint info (Daniel  Monasterio)
2. Re: Enclosed Link (Rick Norris)
3. Re: Enclosed Link (Charles Lee)
4. Re: wimpy stock horns?  (Charles McKinley)
5. ebay search (Louis  Armer)
6. Re: wimpy stock horns? (Dennis  Pleau)
7. Ball Joint Removal (Byron Comp)
8.  Re: Ball Joint Removal (Harry Yarnell)
9. Re: body tag / Pilot  - Long post (Rick  Loving)


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Message:  1
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2010 14:22:40 -0700
From: Daniel Monasterio  <dmonasterio at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: <VV> Lower Ball Joint  info
To: <ronh at owt.com>, VirtualVairs  <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
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Hi Ron,
Haven`t  used the ZM 22 but the K 677s since the 70s (no GMs available 
here). They  worked without any troubble by many years and miles. Last time I 
installed new  ones (on my 67 cpe.) was some 10 years ago (maybe 60,000 miles) 
and they are  still fine. Moog's catalog states ZM 22 & K 677 as high 
performance ones.  Moog's standard ones are K 679 (threaded) and K 6039 (press 
fit). Think Moog  is a very good brand on suspension parts.

Daniel Monasterio

>  From: ronh at owt.com
> To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
> Date: Sun, 4  Jul 2010 13:27:24 -0700
> Subject: <VV> Lower Ball Joint  info
> 
> Having had a recent catastrophic lower ball joint  failure, I searched 
out what I had on my shelves and found two pair of Moog  joints.  One is an 
odd- ball joint id'd as ZM 22 and is a REMCO-MATIC  which has an automatic 
adjusting feature.  Does it work OK, does anyone  know?  The other pair are K  
677's and are screw in adjustable  types.  Do adjustables really expand the 
lower arm holes?  Does  anyone have any other info on the pros and cons of 
these?
> 
>  RonH
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Message:  2
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2010 18:24:45 -0400
From: "Rick Norris"  <ricknorris at suddenlink.net>
Subject: Re: <VV> Enclosed  Link
To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>, "Matt Nall"  <patiomatt at aol.com>
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Uhh, what link??


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Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 4:35  PM
Subject: Re: <VV> Enclosed  Link


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> Don't know if any of you have  seen this link - it is, imo, 
> tongue-in-cheek -
> but a  curiously humorous read!  Maybe someone even knows these  guys!
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>  ====================================================================
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>  You've got to get out more often!!!  LOL!!  It's been on just about  
every 
> Corvair  forum there is..
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>   They guys are serious and have done fairly well in 3-4 races...  they 
are  
> learning..as they are not  long time Vair  people!
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> You should've seen their 1st  car!
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> Matt Nall
>  Charleston, Oregon
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Message: 3
Date: Sun,  4 Jul 2010 15:38:36 -0700
From: "Charles Lee"  <Chaz at ProperProper.com>
Subject: Re: <VV> Enclosed Link
To:  "Rick Norris" <ricknorris at suddenlink.net>
Cc: Virtual Vairs  <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
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>From a prior post  :

http://editions.amospublishing.com/CHVY/Default.aspx?d=20100901&pagenum=54&f
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-----  Original Message ----- 
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To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>;  "Matt Nall" <patiomatt at aol.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 3:24  PM
Subject: Re: <VV> Enclosed Link


> Uhh, what  link??
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> To:  <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 4:35  PM
> Subject: Re: <VV> Enclosed  Link
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>> Don't  know if any of you have seen this link - it is, imo,
>>  tongue-in-cheek -
>> but a curiously humorous read!  Maybe  someone even knows these guys!
>>
>>
>>  ====================================================================
>>
>>
>>  You've got to get out more often!!!  LOL!!  It's been on just about  
every
>> Corvair  forum there  is..
>>
>>
>>  They guys are serious and have  done fairly well in 3-4 races...  they 
>> are
>>  learning..as they are not  long time Vair  people!
>>
>>
>> You should've seen their 1st  car!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Matt Nall
>> Charleston, Oregon
>>  http://mysite.verizon.net/nalllm
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Message: 4
Date: Sun,  4 Jul 2010 22:27:20 -0400
From: Charles McKinley  <cmckinley313 at cox.net>
Subject: Re: <VV> wimpy stock  horns?
To: Wrsssatty at aol.com
Cc: virtualvairs at corvair.org
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Bill,
Actually, I've owned six Hondas, and I agree completely. But  after  
all, Hondas are the definitive "appliance" cars, so you sort  of expect  
the horns to be pretty much a token.
My  wife has an interesting outlook on the need for car horns. She   
believes that everyone should have a lifetime permit to use one (and   
only one) forward-firing torpedo against a deserving target.

Chuck  McKinley

On Jul 4, 2010, at 12:13 PM, Wrsssatty at aol.com  wrote:

> <Personally I think the stock horns sound wimpy  >
>
> Only someone who has never owned a Honda would think that  a  
> Corvair's stock
> horns sound wimpy!
>
>  LOL!
>
> ~Bill Stanley
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Message:  5
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2010 23:46:56 -0400
From: Louis Armer  <carmerjr at mindspring.com>
Subject: <VV> ebay search
To:  virtualvairs at corvair.org
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I have just searched  under Corvair and then selected like I usually 
do "vintage car and truck  parts" to come up with 2022 listed items. 
This is a bit high for "normal"  but not that unusual as it normally 
ranges from 1100+ to 1850 or  thereabouts. Try your searches this way 
and choose 200 as your page  number.

Chuck Armer

CORSA Member
Corvanatics  Member
Corvair Atlanta Director
1965 Corsa Coupe
1964  Greenbrier
http://darthvair.com
SECC Member
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 4 Jul  2010 23:54:02 -0700
From: "Dennis Pleau"  <dpleau at wavecable.com>
Subject: Re: <VV> wimpy stock  horns?
To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
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I'm sure if I can rebuild a  Corvair engine, I could find a way to reload!

dp

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[mailto:virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org]  On Behalf Of Charles McKinley
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 7:27 PM
To:  Wrsssatty at aol.com
Cc: virtualvairs at corvair.org
Subject: Re: <VV>  wimpy stock horns?

Bill,
Actually, I've owned six  Hondas, and I agree completely. But after  
all, Hondas are the  definitive "appliance" cars, so you sort of expect  
the horns to be  pretty much a token.
My wife has an interesting outlook on  the need for car horns. She  
believes that everyone should have a  lifetime permit to use one (and  
only one) forward-firing torpedo  against a deserving target.

Chuck  McKinley




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Message:  7
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 06:02:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Byron Comp  <byron.comp at yahoo.com>
Subject: <VV> Ball Joint Removal
To:  virtualvairs at corvair.org
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Since I'm a novice at restoring  'Vairs this may seem like a stupid 
question, but here goes.? The upper ball  joints on my '64 Monza CT seem to have 
been riveted in and the top of the  rivets "peaned".? Is this normal and what 
do I do to get them out so as to  install new ones?? It looks like I'll have 
to grind off the rivet head and  then punch it out, leaving?4 holes into 
which I would insert bolts with the  new joint.? Will the upper ball joint 
from Clarks line up with the holes left  where the rivets used to be?

Thanks in advance for your  help.

Byron

Message: 5
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 22:25:46  -0400
From: "Rick Norris" <ricknorris at suddenlink.net>
Subject: Re:  <VV> Harbor Freight Tool
To: "Ron" <ronh at owt.com>,???  <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
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I've had one for years and it does work. I use  a BFH just because I like 
to 
beat on things!

Rick Norris
#36  Sunoco Corvair
www.corvairalley.com

> Has anyone tried the Harbor  Freight Ball Joint Service Kit?? If it 
really 
> works for removing and  replacing ball joints without a BFH, it's a 
bargain 
> for $40.? Any  comments?
>
> RonH
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Message: 6
Date: Fri,  2 Jul 2010 22:27:58 -0400
From: "henry kaczmarek"  <kaczmarek at charter.net>
Subject: <VV> Harbor Freight  tool
To: "virtualvairs" <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
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If I get a ball joint to remove, I  use my floor jack, a rent from the 
FLAPS Ball joint fork and a Sears BFH.?  Hasn't failed in 20 years.

Hank





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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 5  Jul 2010 09:41:18 -0400
From: "Harry Yarnell"  <hyarnell1 at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: <VV> Ball Joint  Removal
To: "Byron Comp" <byron.comp at yahoo.com>,     <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
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You pretty well answered your own question.  Chiseling also works. 
Replacement joints usually come with  bolts.

Harry Yarnell
Perryman Garage and  Orphanage
hyarnell1 at earthlink.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From:  "Byron Comp" <byron.comp at yahoo.com>
To:  <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 9:02  AM
Subject: <VV> Ball Joint Removal




Since I'm a  novice at restoring 'Vairs this may seem like a stupid 
question, 
but here  goes. The upper ball joints on my '64 Monza CT seem to have been 
riveted  in and the top of the rivets "peaned". Is this normal and what do 
I 
do to  get them out so as to install new ones? It looks like I'll have to 
grind  off the rivet head and then punch it out, leaving 4 holes into which 
I  
would insert bolts with the new joint. Will the upper ball joint from  
Clarks 
line up with the holes left where the rivets used to  be?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Byron

Message:  5
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 22:25:46 -0400
From: "Rick Norris"  <ricknorris at suddenlink.net>
Subject: Re: <VV> Harbor Freight  Tool
To: "Ron" <ronh at owt.com>,  <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
Message-ID:  <E1D55506CA3B4ADC8518680DAB8FDB50 at RICK>
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I've  had one for years and it does work. I use a BFH just because I like to
beat  on things!

Rick Norris
#36 Sunoco  Corvair
www.corvairalley.com

> Has anyone tried the Harbor  Freight Ball Joint Service Kit? If it really
> works for removing and  replacing ball joints without a BFH, it's a 
bargain
> for $40. Any  comments?
>
> RonH
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Message:  6
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 22:27:58 -0400
From: "henry kaczmarek"  <kaczmarek at charter.net>
Subject: <VV> Harbor Freight  tool
To: "virtualvairs" <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
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If I get a ball joint to remove, I use  my floor jack, a rent from the 
FLAPS 
Ball joint fork and a Sears BFH.  Hasn't failed in 20  years.

Hank



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Message:  9
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 09:21:39 -0500
From: "Rick Loving"  <ral1963 at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: <VV> body tag / Pilot - Long  post
To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
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Actually Dave knows a lot  about this one..he owned it for a while.

Here is a little something he  wrote about it and other pilots....

Fisher had plants adjacent to EVERY  Chevy, Olds, BOP, Cad etc. CAR assembly
plant. Sometimes they were in  separate buildings, connected by a conveyor;
sometimes the buildings were  physically attached, and sometimes they were
under the same roof but  divided by a wall, as in Van Nuys. In all cases,
though, they were  autonomous financially and in management from the car
division (Chevrolet,  Buick etc.) "side" of the plant, though they had to
work together  intimately. Each body delivered to the car division was 
bought
from Fisher  by the division, if accepted. Any repairs due to Fisher goofs
were charged  back to the Fisher side. There were also certain assembly
operations that  were done by Fisher for Chevy, and vice versa, but I won't
get into those  now.
Fisher was only involved with car bodies. Chevy &  GMC truck bodies
were designed and built by Chevrolet. And Fisher didn't do  the Corvette
body...again, it was entirely a Chevy body. Also, there was no  Fisher Body
in Canada, and no Fisher plant at Oshawa. The Corvairs were  built entirely
under one roof. Sure, the cars had Fisher on the sill plate  since they were
designed by Fisher, and Fisher liaison engineers spent time  in Oshawa, but
the bodies were built by GM of Canada. There are other  reasons why their
pilot programs would have been unique, too.
There are so many variables in pilot programs that there  are
actually different kinds of pilots. Chevy Mfg & Assembly Research  in Flint
had the responsibility for most pilot programs. For major model  changes,
like the 65 Impala B Body, the programs were held right there,  rather than
in the actual plants that were going to build the car (or  truck, as was the
case with Corvair trucks, which were piloted there).  Production engineers
from the assembly plants would attend these major  pilot activities. These
had nothing to do with assembling the body, other  than coordinating 
assembly
problems with Fisher and taking delivery of  pilot bodies from Fisher! 
None of those pilot programs  produced cars with serials. The cars
were often used for advertising, and  the agency guys referred to them as
"Tinkertoy cars" because they were put  together and taken apart so many
times. Once they were assembled, they'd be  taken apart and "built" again,
over and over, to test the tooling, fixtures  etc. Not all agency cars came
from pilot programs, though.
The early Corvair was piloted right at Willow Run, for product
security and  to be close to the actual line as it was being developed.
Oakland &  Kansas City men were there too, learning. The area was revived in
'64 for  the 65 pilot activity. The last 69s were hand built in that area
which was  called the "green room".
But for the yearly "facelifts", the  pilot work was usually done
right in the various assembly plants, on the  actual production line. Even
when the Chevy II was added at WR and Oakland,  they worked out the
powertrain installation solutions right there on the  line, due to
peculiarities at each plant.
And in those  minimal change years, there could easily be "pilots"
with serials. These  would have been a different breed of pilots than were
built at Flint, or in  the "Green Room". Especially ones marked as "pilots"
by Fisher Body. What  Fisher might consider a pilot body might not matter to
the Chevy side of  the plant. The Chevy side may still consider those cars 
to
be pilots or the  Chevy's pilot program might already be finished. Remember,
the Fisher side  was separate from the Chevrolet side.


Corvair Pilot Cars: 
*  Thanks to Dave Newell for his help in this article. Without his help  and
wealth of information he supplied, this article would have been  impossible
to write.

Pilot cars were built to test component fit,  assembly methods, fixtures,
timed operations etc. They had serial numbers  so they could be sold. They
were often put into company service, served as  show jobs or PR cars, or be
dolled up as special XP cars at Styling. Others  met their fates as test 
cars
at the Proving Grounds, engineering test cars  and as crash test cars. Over
the years, the # of pilot cars as quadrupled  due to safety testing. Any
pilot cars used for ad/PR work could be sold  because they had serial #s and
weren't involved in testing. Earlier test  cars, photo shoot cars and
long-lead press preview cars were hand built at  Chevy engineering. Most of
these ad/PR cars were hand-built from prototype  parts in one of 2 areas at
Chevy Engineering and none of these cars had  serial numbers, and thus had 
to
be scrapped. Some were fiberglass styling  models borrowed from GM Styling
(like the tan 65 Spyder coupe used in  publicity & literature, later
retouched into a Corsa). These cars were  needed in April or May for photo
shoots and were way ahead of pilot build.  In the case of model years like 
66
where only detail changes were made, the  ad boys didn't need prototypes or
pilots at all. They just borrowed 65s  from dealers and had the retouchers 
do
their thing! Also any GM car, even  in the 60s, that was used for testing
(pilot car or not) would have been  destined for scrap, because of the
liability, unless an exec could get the  car sidetracked (i.e., Charles Lee
Spyder??)

So pilot  cars were production cars, but often have previous-year parts when
the new  items weren't yet available. Which makes them really interesting.
All of  the pilot 65 "Corsas" would have been true 65 Spyders. In a minimal
change  year such as 66, fewer pilot cars were built. They were run right
through  the normal body shop line on the Fisher side, and run down the
regular  assembly line on the Chevy side. Often, the first pilot cars are 
run
in  between the last cars of the previous year if there's very little  
change,
or in the case of 69s, no formal pilots at all. In a major change  year,
portions of a mock assembly line are set up off the main line, such  as for
the 65 model year, to develop the new assembly methods &  fixtures. This is 
a
true pilot line.

Van Nuys ran their own pilot  program, of course. Although not nearly as
extensive as Willow Run's, they  had their own unique assembly methods &
sequences to develop. No two  plants put cars together in the exact same 
way,
or in the same order for  that matter. The Vair had to be built on the same
line with Impalas in Van  Nuys. Also, they had to put the Corvair back into
production, since it had  been dormant during 64 when they built Chevelles
instead.

PILOT CAR  NUMBER #23


PILOT NO 23 E
ST-66  10767 WRN 5   BODY
TR 795  R-1   PAINT
A47 A49 B70 C06 D33 L87 M20  U73
VIN # 107676W100016      T0612RL


Decode of  bodytag:
ST = 1966 Corsa Convertible    Body = Willow Run 5th  Corsa Conv body
produced
TR = White interior  Paint = Regal Red /  top color = white
Acc code = A47/A49 = Deluxe seatbelts front/rear, B70 =  padded dash, C06 =
powertop, D33 = remote mirror, L87 = turbocharged, M20 =  4spd manual
trans,U73 = rear antenna.

(Owner narrative) Owner David  Trull 
I purchased pilot #23 in Colorado during the summer of 2002. Leo  Ford, a
former western division Corsa director was the previous owner and  had owned
the car since August of 1975.  I also contacted Ted Raines  who owned the 
car
before the previous owner. I found his name on the 1975  title and found him
via the internet. He had the car for several years but  did not know 
anything
about the history of the car. In fact he did not even  know it was a pilot
car. He said he had very fond memories of the car. I  have no history for 
the
first six years of the cars life. The title does  say it was first 
registered
on October 11th 1965. 


The car is a great example of an unrestored original car.  The
drivetrain including engine are original and unmolested. The paint  and
interior is also original. 
Pilot #23 has alot of options. Pilots  were always well option to test
assembly methods. Bodytag listed options  include deluxe seatbelts front and
rear, remote mirror, power top,  turbocharged, rear antenna,  padded dash,
and 4spd transmission.  Non-listed options did not require Fisher body
modifications. These  include:  telescopic wood wheel, and 4 way flasher. An
interesting  fact is that the 4spd trans and the padded dash are no longer
listed on  regular production 66 model bodytags, and the remote mirror was
offered  only as a package in 1966, and this car has only the remote mirror.
The  package included both under hood and luggage lamps, and door edge
guards.  Pilot #23 doesn't have those three items. No warning labels on the
glovebox  door on either Pilot #23 or 27. 
A few 65 model years parts were used on  Pilot #23. These include: 65 style
thin Convertible sunvisors, and a 65  style Corsa dash paint with thin 
silver
line around periphery of painted  dash.


Rick Loving

-----Original Message-----
From:  virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org
[mailto:virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org]  On Behalf Of Matt Nall
Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 9:37 AM
To:  virtualvairs at corvair.org
Subject: Re: <VV> body tag /  Pilot

Can some one please tell me what this means?  It is from the  body tag on 
the
rear rail.

Pilot No 23

Early TEST  of  the Assembly line CARS...  very sought after...
BigWave  Dave   knows all about them!

Matt  Nall



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