<VV> modified vs stock: Ideal 'Cartesian' Corvairs ?

Charles Lee Chaz at ProperProper.com
Wed Sep 15 16:32:24 EDT 2010 

I don't know for sure who owns this but Gottfried Leibniz's monadological 
theory says that only the unextended (i.e. "stock" ?) are real, and that the 
extended (i.e. "modified" ?) have no basis in reality, except as an ideal ?

Question is whether the stock Corvair is the extended version of the ideal 
(real) or the restored Corvair is the extension of the instantiated reality 
?

Just a guess, but it seems to work ?

My head hurts, but if I stop thinking, will I cease to exist ?

Charlie



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <kaczmarek at charter.net>
To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: <VV> modified vs stock: Ideal 'Cartesian' Corvairs ?


> Question
> What great prophet of Cartesian Dualism suggested that psychological 
> phenomena can be reduced to a physical state, and insists there is no 
> point of connection between the extended, and the unextended?
>
> If Charles answers correctly, he will recieve the "Grand Prize"---
>
> Those of you who are Python Fans, keep quiet.
>
> Hank
>
>
>
>
> ---- Charles Lee <Chaz at ProperProper.com> wrote:
>> There was a woman whose husband left her his antique coin collection, and
>> while waiting for the collector to appraise, them, she polished them all
>> nice and shiny.
>>
>> So maybe even "restored better than stock" while may be the "ideal" 
>> toward
>> which even Descartes would have strived analytically, it is not as good 
>> as
>> an "unmolested original" ?
>>
>> In other words (regarding the Cartesian reference), the perfectly 
>> restored
>> Corvair never actually existed, and is therefore not "real" ?
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Mark Corbin" <airvair at earthlink.net>
>> To: <AeroNed at aol.com>; <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>> Cc: "CORSA BoD" <corsabod at corvair.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:21 AM
>> Subject: <VV> modified vs stock: World's Cheapest Corvair? AD
>>
>>
>> > And I'm snickering right back at you, because, as you'll find out come
>> > resale time, a stock antique car is (eventually) worth more than a
>> > customized one. It's like saying that you have George Washington's
>> > original
>> > hatchet. But in order to keep it nice, you've had to replace the head
>> > twice
>> > and the handle three times. BUT IT'S STILL HIS ORIGINAL HATCHET! Yea,
>> > right. History and originality has a value that a customize-only person
>> > cannot possibly understand, or appreciate. It's a value that eventually
>> > outpaces every custom job possible.
>> >
>> > Is it any wonder why there's a significant faction of CORSA that's
>> > offended
>> > by the change in the name of the Concours classes, to call the
>> > custom/modified classes the "Improved" class. What makes you think 
>> > every
>> > change from stock is an "improvement", or is the Corvair so defective 
>> > from
>> > the factory as to require such "improvements"? Isn't that a blatent 
>> > insult
>> > to those who happen to actually LIKE the stock Corvair, just as it came
>> > from the factory? I think it is, and it's why I'm one of those who 
>> > finds
>> > it
>> > offensive. But then, pure customizers won't understand. They cannot
>> > possibly understand. Which is why they (who are in control of CORSA)
>> > refused to do anything about it. The powers that be are all 
>> > customizers,
>> > and incapable of understanding.
>> >
>> > For the record, I also happen to like custom cars as much as the next 
>> > guy.
>> > But I also appreciate stock cars, and I especially like to see 
>> > unmolested
>> > originals. They're only original once, you know. Even the best, most
>> > exacting restoration possible (Bloomington Gold Corvette snobs aside)
>> > can't
>> > make it original again. Try as they will, and they will spend a fortune
>> > trying, it's STILL a restored car. THAT is why a stock car, and 
>> > especially
>> > a near-perfect original, will ALWAYS eventually be worth more than a
>> > customized one.
>> >
>> > I happen to own two very nice original stockers, which I appreciate
>> > because
>> > they ARE unmolested examples of what the factory built. They are living
>> > history. But I just don't have enough money to own ALL the cars I'd 
>> > like
>> > to
>> > have, including the customs. And BTW, what money I DO have is going 
>> > into
>> > making a custom LM Corvair, my "project car" as I call it.
>> >
>> > -Mark
>> >
>> >> [Original Message]
>> >> From: <AeroNed at aol.com>
>> >> Subject: Re: <VV> World's Cheapest Corvair? AD
>> >>
>> >> Mark,
>> >>
>> >> I'm not alone in the snickering in your direction. Even your fellow
>> >> "stockers," you know the guy that drives an unimproved Corvair, are
>> > laughing at
>> >> you. We're actually happy that you (and Hank) choose to not recognize
>> > that
>> >> misnomer.
>> >>
>> >> I wonder why VV isn't a great attraction for new members to CORSA?
>> >>
>> >> Ned
>> >>
>> >> In a message dated 9/14/2010 9:52:22 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
>> >> airvair at earthlink.net writes:
>> >>
>> >> Boy, you  sure invited this one, Ned.
>> >>
>> >> Since ALL earlies are sedans, I could have  asked him how many doors. 
>> >> (G)
>> >> Just saying "sedan" does NOT indicate how  many doors. And NO, not
>> > EVERYone
>> >> "knows" you'd be talking about a four  door. I for one refuse to
>> >> recognize
>> >> that misnomer. And anyone who prides  themselves in using correct
>> >> terminology doesn't, either. We just recognize  that we're listening 
>> >> to a
>> >> bunch of bumpkins, and laugh at them behind their  backs. *snicker*
>> >>
>> >> In the words of Bugs Bunny, "what a  maroon...."   Hehehe.....
>> >>
>> >> -Mark
>> >>
>> >> > [Original  Message]
>> >> > From: <AeroNed at aol.com>
>> >> > Subject: Re: <VV>  World's Cheapest Corvair? AD
>> >> >
>> >> > Yup, that was JR in Chicago  (_hmlinc at sbcglobal.net_
>> >> > (mailto:hmlinc at sbcglobal.net) ) and he did  say a  sedan (now I'm 
>> >> > going
>> > to
>> >> get a lecture from Mark
>> >> > about  what the real body style  name is despite the FACT that 
>> >> > everyone
>> >> knows
>> >> > I'm talking about a 4 door).
>> >> >
>> >> > Ned
>> >> >
>> >
>> >
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