<VV> Fw: Re: Parking Brake Cable - include 30 cednts worth of hardware ?

shortle shortle556 at earthlink.net
Fri Sep 17 13:24:39 EDT 2010 



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>From: shortle <shortle556 at earthlink.net>
>Sent: Sep 17, 2010 8:55 AM
>To: Dave Keillor <dkeillor at tconcepts.com>, Virtual Vairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>Subject: Re: <VV> Parking Brake Cable - include 30 cednts worth of hardware ?
>
>And they say Corvair people are cheap.
>Timothy Shortle in Durango Colorado
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Dave Keillor <dkeillor at tconcepts.com>
>>Sent: Sep 16, 2010 12:15 PM
>>To: Virtual Vairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>>Subject: Re: <VV> Parking Brake Cable - include 30 cednts worth of hardware ?
>>
>>Aaaarrrggghhh!  This discussion is nutz!
>>
>>Dave Keillor
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org
>>[mailto:virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org] On Behalf Of Charles Lee
>>Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 12:20 PM
>>To: John O'Shea; Virtual Vairs
>>Subject: Re: <VV> Parking Brake Cable - include 30 cednts worth of
>>hardware ?
>>
>>I'd include 30 cents (retail) worth of nuts on the premise that people
>>would 
>>probably replace them, and I'd eat the 30 cents (which is more like 12
>>cents 
>>wholesale)
>>
>>The PR is worth the 12 cents IMHO, but that's just me.  I'd go out of 
>>business if I gave away 12 cents on a $30 sale, I guess ?
>>
>>~Cz
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "John O'Shea" <jco99 at cox.net>
>>To: "Virtual Vairs" <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 10:18 PM
>>Subject: Re: <VV> Parking Brake Cable question - work inside the car ?
>>
>>
>>> Charlie the reason Clark's doesn't include the nuts on the brake
>>cables 
>>> any
>>> more is because people like you used to bitch about that too.
>>> They complained about paying the extra money so Clark's listed the
>>nuts in
>>> the catalog right by the brake cables for anyone to see.
>>>
>>> J. O'Shea
>>> Vegas Vairs - Las Vegas
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Charles Lee" <Chaz at ProperProper.com>
>>> To: "shortle" <shortle556 at earthlink.net>; "Daniel Monasterio"
>>> <dmonasterio at hotmail.com>; "VirtualVairs" <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:50 PM
>>> Subject: Re: <VV> Parking Brake Cable question - work inside the car ?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hooda thunk you'd need to order the nuts separately ?  They're less
>>than
>>>> 20
>>>> cents ?????
>>>>
>>>> I ordered by phone and specified the make model year PG etc.
>>>>
>>>> These are Corvair people, or at least they used to be ?
>>>>
>>>> ~Cz
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "shortle" <shortle556 at earthlink.net>
>>>> To: "shortle" <shortle556 at earthlink.net>; "Charles Lee"
>>>> <Chaz at ProperProper.com>; "Daniel Monasterio"
>><dmonasterio at hotmail.com>;
>>>> "VirtualVairs" <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:24 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: <VV> Parking Brake Cable question - work inside the car
>>?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I just took a look at the Clarks catalogue and they show 3 different 
>>>>>front
>>>>>hand brake cables for Corvair cars. Which one did you get? And right 
>>>>>below
>>>>>them are the nuts (to be ordered seperately).
>>>>> TS in DC
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>From: shortle <shortle556 at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>Sent: Sep 15, 2010 9:16 PM
>>>>>>To: Charles Lee <Chaz at ProperProper.com>, Daniel Monasterio
>>>>>><dmonasterio at hotmail.com>, VirtualVairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>>>>>>Subject: Re: <VV> Parking Brake Cable question - work inside the car
>>?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Understood. You sound frustrated to me so maybe just take a deep
>>breath
>>>>>>and walk away from it for awhile. That has worked for me many times
>>over
>>>>>>in my career as an auto mechanic. If you believe the cable is too
>>short,
>>>>>>e
>>>>>>mail Clarks and ask them to measure another cable length and compare
>>
>>>>>>that
>>>>>>measurement with yours. This will keep them from sending another one
>>
>>>>>>that
>>>>>>is too short and you having to wait more for something that also
>>will 
>>>>>>not
>>>>>>work. Are you certain you are routing the cable properly? Without
>>trying
>>>>>>to make you more frustrated, the PROPER way to do this is to:
>>>>>>1. Hook up cable to lever (ball end)
>>>>>>2. Route cable properly to undercarriage hooking up to (lubed)
>>pulleys
>>>>>>3. Install forward nut onto (lubed) stud [part of cable]
>>>>>>4. Put thru rearward cable (the one that goes to both rear wheels)
>>>>>>5. Install rear nut and adjust for proper handbrake operation
>>>>>>Again, wishing you good luck and I hope to see you and your car next
>>>>>>month
>>>>>>in Palm Springs
>>>>>>Timothy Shortle in Durango Colorado
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>From: Charles Lee <Chaz at ProperProper.com>
>>>>>>>Sent: Sep 15, 2010 8:58 PM
>>>>>>>To: shortle <shortle556 at earthlink.net>, Daniel Monasterio
>>>>>>><dmonasterio at hotmail.com>, VirtualVairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: <VV> Parking Brake Cable question - work inside the
>>car ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>PS:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>No, it's easier to work inside the car - seats removed, plenty of
>>room,
>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>nosy neighbors can't see me inside the car (except my feet
>>sometimes)
>>>>>>>because I have to put it up on stands to work underneath.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Most problems have many solutions - the trick is to find a solution
>>
>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>doesn't cause even more problems !
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>>Charlie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>From: "shortle" <shortle556 at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>To: "Charles Lee" <Chaz at ProperProper.com>; "Daniel Monasterio"
>>>>>>><dmonasterio at hotmail.com>; "VirtualVairs"
>><virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 7:26 PM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: <VV> Parking Brake Cable question - too short ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It wouldn't. But it will be easier to install if you finish the
>>job
>>>>>>>> under
>>>>>>>> the car than trying to finish it under the dash. And I believe
>>you 
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> getting pretty good at this job.Did you compare the lengths of
>>the 2
>>>>>>>> cables? I know the original had broke but you still ought to be
>>able
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> compare the 2 lengths. As always, wishing you good luck.
>>>>>>>> Timothy Shortle in Durango Colorado
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>From: Charles Lee <Chaz at ProperProper.com>
>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sep 15, 2010 8:10 PM
>>>>>>>>>To: Daniel Monasterio <dmonasterio at hotmail.com>, VirtualVairs
>>>>>>>>><virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: <VV> Parking Brake Cable question - too short ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Just curious, but how would that change the length ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>~Cz
>>>>>>>>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>>>  From: Daniel Monasterio
>>>>>>>>>  To: Charles Lee ; VirtualVairs
>>>>>>>>>  Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 7:01 PM
>>>>>>>>>  Subject: RE: <VV> Parking Brake Cable question - too short ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Think you are working backwards. You should start at the ball
>>end,
>>>>>>>>> first.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Daniel Monasterio
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  > From: Chaz at ProperProper.com
>>>>>>>>>  > To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
>>>>>>>>>  > Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 18:42:17 -0700
>>>>>>>>>  > Subject: <VV> Parking Brake Cable question - too short ?
>>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>>  > Is the park brake different for EM and LM ?
>>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>>  > If so, is one shorter, and what other visible difference is
>>there
>>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>>  > Problem : I just installed Clark's cable, and reached into
>>the 
>>>>>>>>> bag
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>  > adjustment nuts ? Aarrgghh....
>>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>>  > I guess they figured we'd re-use the old ones ? OK, but the
>>old
>>>>>>>>> ones
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>  > rusted tight to the old cable and I can't get them off, so
>>I'll
>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>  > some new ones, right ?
>>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>>  > To be certain that I got the right ones before walking a mile
>>
>>>>>>>>> each
>>>>>>>>> way, I
>>>>>>>>>  > called Clark's to get the right size :
>>>>>>>>>  > The girl says "5/16 24" so I hike over to the hardware store
>>to
>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>> the two
>>>>>>>>>  > (2) 18 cent 5/16 24 nuts that Clark's does not include (why
>>not
>>>>>>>>> ?).
>>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>>  > So rethread the cable and wrestle with the 5/16 24's a while
>>but
>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>> go, so I
>>>>>>>>>  > rip the cable back out and take it with me this time (those
>>>>>>>>> pulleys
>>>>>>>>> under
>>>>>>>>>  > the dash are NOT fun !)
>>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>>  > So I try a few more 5/16 24, but they're not 5/16 ***24*** !
>>>>>>>>>  > They're 5/16 ***18***.
>>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>>  > OK, so back home and thread the needle again, - I'm getting 
>>>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>>>> good at
>>>>>>>>>  > this, the third time.
>>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>>  > Now, the ball doesn't reach the handle under the dash, so I
>>go
>>>>>>>>> down
>>>>>>>>> under
>>>>>>>>>  > and extend the nuts all the way to the end of the adjustment
>>part
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>  > tail end to get a few more inches.
>>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>>  > Still the ball end does not reach.
>>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>>  > Have I been short changed ?
>>>>>>>>>  > Do I have an EM park brake cable ?
>>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>>  > Or, am I missing something (again) ?
>>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>>  > Thanks in advance for your support !
>>>>>>>>>  > Charlie
>>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>>  >
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