<VV> [UV] Re: Looking for a fuel flow sender or MPG gauge for carb engine...

FrankCB at aol.com FrankCB at aol.com
Thu Oct 4 21:36:04 EDT 2012


True, BUT only if you stay in the same gear.  If you shift to a  lower 
gear, the vacuum will increase, but the greater RPM means you are actually  
using MORE gas than at lower revs and lower vacuum.
Frank Burkhard
Boonton, NJ 
 
 
In a message dated 10/4/2012 9:06:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
ultravanman at yahoo.com writes:

A vacume  gauge can tell you when your driving your optimiun, not autual 
gas  mileage persay but when you are getting your best  mileage 



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From: Larry  Forman <larry at forman.net>
To: FrankCB at aol.com 
Cc:  ultravan at yahoogroups.com; VirtualVairs at corvair.org 
Sent: Thursday, October  4, 2012 1:10 PM
Subject: [UV] Re: <VV> Looking for a fuel flow sender  or MPG gauge for 
carb engine, not EFI...




Hi Frank, OK, thanks for the advice.   Of course we all have  an average 
MPG calculator that only needs a pencil and paper.   I  was specifically 
looking for something instantaneous so I could make minor  changes and hopefully 
know which is better.   I understand readings  might be all over the map, 
but under some controlled conditions I might be  able to make improvements.  
It would tell me things like at a given  speed, is it better when going up 
hill to drop down a gear or leave it in the  higher gear.   A vacuum gauge 
cannot tell me which is the better  alternative.  Also, thanks for the Innovate 
advice as I DO have one of  those and the tail pipe adapter.   I have not 
yet used it for this  vehicle and it has been years since I used it at all, 
so I need to check that  it will work with my current laptop and maybe get a 
port adapter.  My  thoughts to evaluate under controlled conditions things 
like removal of the  air dam, addition of a cold ram air for
the carb, and once the front air  suspension is complete, vehicle height 
changes.   I found a great  fuel mileage site:  ECOmodder.com, where they are 
VERY involved with all  types of fuel mileage improvement.   They have a 
very slick approach  for calculating coefficient of drag and rolling resistance 
by simply allowing  the vehicle to slow down with three runs in each 
direction and by inputting  the slow down data, calculate the answers.   That way 
you can see  the effects of tire inflation, changes in improving air flow,  
etc.     Larry  On 10/4/2012 10:16 AM,  FrankCB at aol.com wrote:  
Larry, 
>    I  wouldn't recommend getting a MPG gauge that registers INSTANTANEOUS 
fuel  consumption.  My late wife's 1989 Beretta had the optional digital 
dash  that showed either instantaneous or average MPG.  Unless you are driving 
 on a perfectly FLAT road, the instant. reading will vary all over the 
place  even on apparently flat normal-driving roads.  
>    If you really want to improve your 455  engine's mileage, get a 
WIDE-band O2 sensor (check Innovate) and use it to set  the A/F ratio for cruising 
conditions.  This assumes you are using  lead-free gasoline otherwise the 
sensor won't last long.  You'll also  need a timing light (I use a "dial 
back" one) to set up the  ignition timing correctly. 
>     Good luck and  let us know what works for you, 
>Frank Burkhard 
>Boonton, NJ  
>       
>
>In a message  dated 10/3/2012 11:31:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
larry at forman.net writes:  
>I have been looking for either an MPG gauge or fuel flow sender that I  
>>can use to make an MPG gauge for my Ultravan, Toronado
powered Holley 
>>carbed  engine.   I have found a few expensive marine or
aero fuel flow 
>>senders and have  not found any old Zemco (or other brand)
fuel meters 
>>from the 70's.   Those might  be too restrictive for a 455
engine's carb 
>>inlet line.    Any ideas would be  appreciated so I can
make  some 
>>instrumented improvements in fuel economy.  I would  be
interested in any  
>>DIY or manufactured MPG meters for non-EFI engines and
non-OBDII  engines.
>>
>>FWIW, my Ultravan #545 is running between 12  and 13 mpg on
long trips,  
>>which is not to bad considering the engine, weight and
frontal area, but 
>>I am  looking to improve that regardless.
>>
>>Any assistance  would be  appreciated.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Larry  Forman
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