<VV> Judson and CORSA autocross rules

Bruce Schug bwschug at att.net
Fri Feb 8 19:14:44 EST 2013

Sorry, guys, but I just don't agree with you. A car either meets the  
rules or it doesn't. A supercharger is a supercharger, not a non-stock  
turbocharger. If you think a Judson should be allowed, you should seek  
a rules re-write. To allow this is to invite a protest. If the guy  
with the Judson wins, you end up with other competitors being very  
unhappy. I can see the letters in the Communique now; guys promising  
to never come to a convention again, to quit CORSA, etc., etc.

I don't disagree with your opinions regarding the performance of the  
Judson, but that isn't the point.

What if a guy comes in with fuel injection and wants to run IS with no  
points or something reasoning that it doesn't really make any more  
horsepower than a 140. Where are you going to draw the line? Should we  
just throw the rules away and have guys in tech assign cars to classes  
based on what looks right or what they are told?

On Feb 8, 2013, at 10:04 AM, Sharon Leveque wrote:

> I agree that he should comply with the rules, but in my experience,  
> the Judson kit in stock form is not more competitive than the stock  
> turbo.
> Warren
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bruce Schug <bwschug at att.net>
> To: VirtualVairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org>; Rodriguez III <corvairgrymm at gmail.com 
> >; Ryan Counterman <vairking at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:02 pm
> Subject: Re: <VV> Judson and CORSA autocross rules
> Gentleman,
> I would like to point out that a Judson supercharger is a
> supercharger, not a turbocharger!!!
> Are you serious?
> On Feb 7, 2013, at 8:52 AM, Ryan Counterman wrote:
> >
> > We should discuss this now to avoid troubles on autocross day.
> > After reviewing the official rules, which has no mention of using a
> > supercharger, I believe this car would land into IS3, 60-69 high
> > horsepower.  The rules deduct 20 points for use of a non-stock turbo
> > charger, and I think this would apply.  So watch your points and
> > make sure you dont go over and I think you can run IS3.  I think you
> > would be competitive with turbo cars, but be at the bottom of the SM
> > class.  This is open for discussion!
> >
> > Ryan Counterman
> > Autocross Chair - 2013 Convention "A Vairiation in Kalamazoo"
> > ------------------------------
> > On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 5:42 PM EST Ramon Rodriguez III wrote:
> >
> >> Hiya guys, I swear I haven't disappeared forever! I'm hoping to
> >> make a
> >> full on comeback by late spring, in the meantime I just don't have
> >> enough
> >> time to keep up with VV and the forums.
> >>
> >> A friend of mine has a question about autocross classification. His
> >> car
> >> will be a 62 coupe with a 140 engine and Judson supercharger.  
> Will he
> >> still be in IS-3 or does the Judson automatically bump him up to SM
> >> class?
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >> Ray Rodriguez III
> >> _______________________________________________
> >>


Bruce W. Schug
Membership Chair,
CORSA South Carolina
CORSA member since 1980
'67 Monza, "67AC140"
bwschug at att.net

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