<VV> Fw: VirtualVairs Digest, Vol 101, Issue 1
Jerry Brown
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Sat Jun 1 09:53:56 EDT 2013
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Judging by the information I have recieved, and the 1961 Lakewood 500 being very plain, then we could assume that the Corvair came with blackwall tires, thus the wheels should be body color.
I have a 62 spyder that came with no radio. I checked the fenders and found no holes drilled anywhere The wheels are painted body color.. I don't know what wheel covers came with it as they were not there when I purchased the car. It had a special green interior. The carpet is green with black speckles. This must have been a special order car.
Jerry
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Today's Topics:
1. wheel color (wrsssatty at aol.com)
2. wheel color (ebittman at tampabay.rr.com)
3. Re: wheel color/ GM's answer (corvairduval at cox.net)
4. Re: wheel color (hallgrenn at aol.com)
5. PG Throttle Shafts (Ron)
6. Re: PG Throttle Shafts (lonwall at corvairunderground.com)
7. Re: Parade help for a late model Vert. (Joel McGregor)
8. Re: Transmission won't shift into 3/4 (Dave Keillor)
9. Re: PG Throttle Shafts (Frank DuVal)
10. Re: Wheel Color (Dale Dewald)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 12:35:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: wrsssatty at aol.com
Subject: <VV> wheel color
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I may have come in on this conversation late but, for what it's worth, it is my understanding that Corvairs, at least earlies, left the factory with black wheels if white walls were installed at the factory and with body colored wheels if black wall tires were installed at the factory.
~Bill Stanley
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Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 17:55:50 +0000
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Subject: <VV> wheel color
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I have two showroom posters.One shows a Roman Red 61 "700" with wide whites and red wheels.The other shows a 64 Spyder in red with full caps,thin whites and black wheels along with a beige coupe the same way.I know there is a lot of leeway with advertising posters.Ed in fla
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 14:11:58 -0400
From: "corvairduval at cox.net" <corvairduval at cox.net>
Subject: Re: <VV> wheel color/ GM's answer
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OK, I had to do more research on the GM site, but I have the answer, and it
matches Ed's findings.
http://www.gmheritagecenter.com/gm-heritage-archive/vehicle-information-kits
.html
Go to the various Corvair years and look under exterior paint
specifications.
For 60 and 61, the wheels were body color (color of the lower two tone if
applicable).
For 1962, they started an oddity:
All Corvairs (and full sized Chevys) got body colored wheels, unless, they
were ordered with full wheel covers AND whitewall tires!
So, the 64 Spyder came with Spyder full wheel covers as standard, and if
ordered (as shown in the brochure) with whitewall tires, the wheels would
be black.
If one ordered the 64 Impala SS (always came with full wheelcovers) and
blckwall tires, the wheels would still be body color.
I guess the Art and Color section decided the cars with blackwalls needed
something to spruce up the wheels, so they made the wheels body color. If
there was already whitewall tires, then the extra splash of body color was
not needed, so the wheels were black.
Confused? Well, at lest the matter is settled!
Frank DuVal
Of course the matter will still be discussed LOL!
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From: ebittman at tampabay.rr.com
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 17:55:50 +0000
To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
Subject: <VV> wheel color
I have two showroom posters.One shows a Roman Red 61 "700" with wide whites
and red wheels.The other shows a 64 Spyder in red with full caps,thin
whites and black wheels along with a beige coupe the same way.I know there
is a lot of leeway with advertising posters.Ed in fla
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 15:10:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: hallgrenn at aol.com
Subject: Re: <VV> wheel color
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I think the key here is the wheel covers. Our family 1961 700 had the small caps with body color painted wheels, but a neighborhood 1961 700 with the full wheel covers had black wheels. Both were purchased new from the local Chevy dealer (about five blocks away).
Bob
I have two showroom posters.One shows a Roman Red 61 "700" with wide whites and
red wheels.The other shows a 64 Spyder in red with full caps,thin whites and
black wheels along with a beige coupe the same way.I know there is a lot of
leeway with advertising posters.Ed in fla
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 16:24:52 -0700
From: "Ron" <ronh at owt.com>
Subject: <VV> PG Throttle Shafts
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Is there any place where I can identify the shafts that actuate the
carburetor cross shaft from the bell crank on the lower side of a PG
transmission? They seem to come bent in several shapes and how does one
know which ones go where? Clark's doesn't seem to list them.
RonH
(61, 62, 63 & 66 Vairs)
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 16:26:53 -0700
From: "lonwall at corvairunderground.com" <corvairs at pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: <VV> PG Throttle Shafts
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I have most versions. What year are you looking for? In fact just sent
one out today.
Lon
www.corvairunderground.com
On 5/31/2013 4:24 PM, Ron wrote:
> Is there any place where I can identify the shafts that actuate the
> carburetor cross shaft from the bell crank on the lower side of a PG
> transmission? They seem to come bent in several shapes and how does one
> know which ones go where? Clark's doesn't seem to list them.
> RonH
> (61, 62, 63 & 66 Vairs)
>
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2013 00:25:54 +0000
From: Joel McGregor <joel at joelsplace.com>
Subject: Re: <VV> Parade help for a late model Vert.
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I would make sure the back window is spotless and fold a towel into the top on both sides of the window so that it doesn't get scratched.
Joel McGregor
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Subject: <VV> Parade help for a late model Vert.
Second. How do I protect my top when I have two or three people sitting
on the back of the cover?
Thanks!
Rob
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 19:13:28 -0500
From: Dave Keillor <dkeillor at tconcepts.com>
Subject: Re: <VV> Transmission won't shift into 3/4
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More information and a picture. Attached is a picture with the side cover
removed. The transmission is in neutral. The 1/2 shift fork appears to be
positioned correctly (1/2 works fine as well as reverse), but the 3/4 fork
is displaced the right. It's not solidly locked in that position because I
can move it a smidge (a few ten-thousands probably). The shifter shaft
can't be rotated far enough to allow the 3/4 fork to move. I can't see far
enough down into the tranny to see what might be going on with the shifter
shaft, but the tranny needs to come out anyway,
[image: Inline image 1]
Dave Keillor
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 7:59 AM, Dave Keillor <dkeillor at tconcepts.com>wrote:
> Background -- It's a '65 4 speed that I had a guy who has a good reputation
> with manual transmissions rebuild (bearings, blocker rings, etc.)
>
> Situation -- I reinstalled the drivetrain in the car without checking the
> transmission for proper operation.
>
> Problem -- I can't get the tranny into 3 or 4. It's not the linkage --the
> problem persists with the linkage disconnected. Getting reverse after going
> through the strong detent is no problem. First and second, again, no
> problem. But I can't rotate the shift rod into the third and fourth gear
> position. It just goes a wee bit to the left and stops solid. Someone
> suggested that one of the shifter forks could be installed backwards.
>
> Next -- Tranny fluid is draining and I'll remove the side cover. If that
> doesn't uncover the problem, the tranny is coming out and going back to the
> rebuilder.
>
> Question -- Any guesses?
>
> Dave Keillor
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 22:24:57 -0400
From: Frank DuVal <corvairduval at cox.net>
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In general,
I say the ones with the large radius a the transmission end are for
earlies, as the shaft has to clear the lower control arm on the left side.
The ones that almost make a right angle (120 degree?) turn near the
transmission end are the lates.
As far as I know, these shafts are the same 3 speed, 4 speed, PG
applications. I must be wrong, but I have never seen a difference. I
should place the 20 or so I have next to each other...
I did that with headliner bows and now have pictures of the difference
of 2 door and 4 door bows.
Frank DuVal
On 5/31/2013 7:24 PM, Ron wrote:
> Is there any place where I can identify the shafts that actuate the
> carburetor cross shaft from the bell crank on the lower side of a PG
> transmission? They seem to come bent in several shapes and how does one
> know which ones go where? Clark's doesn't seem to list them.
> RonH
> (61, 62, 63 & 66 Vairs)
>
>
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2013 00:11:15 -0400
From: Dale Dewald <dkdewald at pasty.net>
Subject: Re: <VV> Wheel Color
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On 5/31/2013 12:00, Ed Bittman wrote:
> I generally agree that even "500"s had body colored wheels,but I think I read somewhere perhaps in LC's "Stock Is' that it sometimes depended on whether whitewalls were ordered.Can anyone verify this?My 60 "500" sedan has Jade Green wheels but again it's Canadian built.Ed in Florida
I am no authority on EM's but in the case of LM's I understand the
following:
I helps to follow the wheel manufacturing process and how they end up on
the car. From what I understand, all Corvair wheels were manufactured
by a supplier to GM and arrived at the assembly plant with a coat of
black dipped lacquer paint. If the wheel was fitted to a Monza, Corsa,
or similar trim car that came with full wheel covers, then no further
action was necessary and the wheels were installed as is; in black. If
the wheel was to be installed on a low trim model, e.g. LM 500, then the
outboard surface was sprayed with body color paint, to show around the
perimeter of the simple "dog dish" hub cap. For the purely "stock is"
crowd there is some debate as to whether the spare wheel was painted
body color on both sides rather than on just the outboard side, simply
because the inboard side faces up with the spare properly stowed in the
engine compartment.
Confusion may exist in the situation where a 500 model car was /factory
ordered/ with full wheel covers. In this case it would come with black
wheels and full wheel covers /from the factory/. However, it was very
common for the dealer to fit full wheel covers to a 500 model car on his
lot that had come with hub caps, and thus it would be sold with body
color wheels. This was especially common in the case where the dealer
would order a 500 model with factory white wall tires. The customer,
seeing "something missing' would request an upgrade to full wheel
covers, which the dealer would happily oblige, thus making a greater
profit than selling the car with factory supplied wheel covers.
Dale Dewald
Hancock, MI
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