<VV> VirtualVairs Digest, Vol 123, Issue 22
Smitty
vairologist at cox.net
Wed Apr 8 14:39:32 EDT 2015
Has the BBRT treasury got enough money to bet the the 60-63 had a synchro
low. I want in on that. none of the 3 speeds had a synchro low untill 66
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: '65 3-speed is non-synchro, but '66-'69 is synchro? (shortle)
2. Re: LOOKING FOR 64 CONVT (N2VZD at aol.com)
3. engine break in advice (Michael Kovacs)
4. Re: '65 3-speed is non-synchro, but '66-'69 is synchro?
(Jim Davis)
5. Re: '65 3-speed is non-synchro, but '66-'69 is synchro? (BBRT)
6. Re: engine break in advice (Michael Kovacs)
7. Gear lube is the new religion ... (Charlie)
8. Re: Gear lube is the new religion ... (BobHelt at aol.com)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2015 10:02:40 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
From: shortle <shortle556 at earthlink.net>
To: Charlie <chaz at properproper.com>, 'Frank DuVal'
<corvairduval at cox.net>
Cc: 'Virtual Vairs' <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
Subject: Re: <VV> '65 3-speed is non-synchro, but '66-'69 is synchro?
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GL-4 is suggested for the Corvair manual transmission cars. End of story. No
hair splitting here.
OR, WHATEVER FLOATS YOUR BOAT. USE WHATEVER YOU WANT. EVERYONE.
Timothy Shortle in Durango Colorado 81301
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>From: Charlie via VirtualVairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>Sent: Apr 7, 2015 11:39 PM
>To: 'Frank DuVal' <corvairduval at cox.net>
>Cc: 'Virtual Vairs' <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>Subject: Re: <VV> '65 3-speed is non-synchro, but '66-'69 is synchro?
>
>That was my point -
>
>As long as we're splitting hairs :
>
>The '65 was non-synchro in 1st, and the '66 was synchro in all 3 gears,
>right?
>
>So the '65 and '66-'69 WERE different and the GL-4 vs. GL-5 discussion did
>not make this distinction, or at least I failed to miss the one that did,
>among a gazillion others?
>
>Charlie
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: VirtualVairs [mailto:virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org] On Behalf Of
>Frank DuVal via VirtualVairs
>Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 9:07 PM
>To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
>Subject: Re: <VV> '65 3-speed is non-synchro, but '66-'69 is synchro?
>
>Most every GM 3 speed transmission from the early 30s to 1965 has synchros
>in second and third gear. It is first gear that is not synchronized.
>
>Frank DuVal
>
>On 4/7/2015 11:50 PM, Charlie via VirtualVairs wrote:
>> I thought the '65 3-speed was non-synchro, but '66-'69 is synchro?
>>
>> Another "urban legend"?
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Daniel Monasterio Gonz?lez [mailto:dmonasterio at hotmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 7:05 PM
>> To: Charlie; 'Vairtec Corp'
>> Cc: 'Virtual Vairs'
>> Subject: Re: <VV> Making sense of a gazillion posts on GL-4 vs. GL-5
>> (Yes, I did read them)
>>
>> Corvair 3sp transmissions should use GL-4 as they have bronze
>> synchronizers too.
>>
>> Daniel
>
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2015 12:17:06 -0400
From: N2VZD at aol.com
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Subject: Re: <VV> LOOKING FOR 64 CONVT
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I have a person in the Rochester NY area looking for a 64 convert. He was
in the local club many years ago , and now wants to start over again. Please
reply to me if you think you have something of interest.
He seems to be willing to travel for a road ready car. He does not want to
start a "project" car.
He is not into computers yet , but I am working on it.
Regards, Tim Colson
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2015 16:16:49 +0000 (UTC)
From: Michael Kovacs <kovacsmj at yahoo.com>
To: VV <virtualvairs at corvair.org>, Fastvair <fastvair at yahoogroups.com>
Subject: <VV> engine break in advice
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Block not opened. New pistons, rings, con rod bearings, valves, lifters
etc.?Pistons and con rods balanced. iron rings +60.
?It has run at 1500 for about 15 min and sounds OK,?35 lbs?oil pressure. I
want more advice for the 100 mile break in run.?Oil and?filter changed after
that.
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2015 11:20:33 -0500
From: Jim Davis <jld at wk.net>
To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
Subject: Re: <VV> '65 3-speed is non-synchro, but '66-'69 is synchro?
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It might be good to mention than Chevy does carry GL-4 oil for the
modern 6 and 7 speed Corvette manual transaxles. <*Castrol Syntorq LT
75W-85W GL-4 (GM# 12346190)> *Crysler has the same stuff**usually a
little cheaper*. * It is the only gear lube specified for the "New
Venture Gear" consortium.
Jim Davis
*
*On 4/8/2015 11:02 AM, shortle via VirtualVairs wrote:
> GL-4 is suggested for the Corvair manual transmission cars. End of story.
> No hair splitting here.
> OR, WHATEVER FLOATS YOUR BOAT. USE WHATEVER YOU WANT. EVERYONE.
> Timothy Shortle in Durango Colorado 81301
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2015 12:26:15 -0400
From: "BBRT" <chsadek at comcast.net>
To: "Charlie" <chaz at properproper.com>
Cc: 'Virtual Vairs' <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
Subject: Re: <VV> '65 3-speed is non-synchro, but '66-'69 is synchro?
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No. The very early three spds were non-synchro in first (1960 Aluminum
case). All later three spds had three speeds with synchro. All Four spds had
all synchro gears. Yes, 1965 is a transmission that is similar to
1961-1964..Engineering changes within. 1966-69 is different.
No, your theory is full of hot air. All Corvair synchros were of similar
brass material; 1959 thru 1969. No freaking GL 5 in any Corvair manual
transmission! What is so hard about that? (I acknowlege there are folks who
have perhaps successfully used GL 5. Wonderful. Maybe the newer GL-5 has
sufficient inhibitors that it will not affect brass synchros..to me, the
jury is still out.)
Seems to me, quit fighting the problem. Buy GL 4. How much of the stuff are
you going to use, anyway?
Try to stay in range of recommended oil ratings/weights.
PG owners, use whatever you like..
Everyone. Wonderful articles on Corvair manual transmissions by Craig
Nicholes and Bob Helt. The Corvair Basics many of us contributed to..lots of
good stuff. Classic Corvair by Bob Helt is vry good. Buy the Tech guide.
There are so many tech tips, you will be amazed.. Buy it!
Chuck S
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From: "Charlie via VirtualVairs"
That was my point -
As long as we're splitting hairs :
The '65 was non-synchro in 1st, and the '66 was synchro in all 3 gears,
right?
So the '65 and '66-'69 WERE different and the GL-4 vs. GL-5 discussion did
not make this distinction, or at least I failed to miss the one that did,
among a gazillion others?
Charlie
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From: VirtualVairs [mailto:virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org] On Behalf Of
Frank DuVal via VirtualVairs
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 9:07 PM
To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
Subject: Re: <VV> '65 3-speed is non-synchro, but '66-'69 is synchro?
Most every GM 3 speed transmission from the early 30s to 1965 has synchros
in second and third gear. It is first gear that is not synchronized.
Frank DuVal
On 4/7/2015 11:50 PM, Charlie via VirtualVairs wrote:
> I thought the '65 3-speed was non-synchro, but '66-'69 is synchro?
>
> Another "urban legend"?
>
> Charlie
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Monasterio Gonz?lez [mailto:dmonasterio at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 7:05 PM
> To: Charlie; 'Vairtec Corp'
> Cc: 'Virtual Vairs'
> Subject: Re: <VV> Making sense of a gazillion posts on GL-4 vs. GL-5
> (Yes, I did read them)
>
> Corvair 3sp transmissions should use GL-4 as they have bronze
> synchronizers too.
>
> Daniel
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2015 16:26:09 +0000 (UTC)
From: Michael Kovacs <kovacsmj at yahoo.com>
To: VV <virtualvairs at corvair.org>, Fastvair <fastvair at yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: <VV> engine break in advice
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Thanks. I did look up all the advice on the internet for Corvairs. I'll take
it around the block for about 10 miles drain and refill oil, then on the
highway for the next set. Really just need the rings and cam lifters to
settle in. I'm using 10-30.
From: Michael Kovacs <kovacsmj at yahoo.com>
To: VV <virtualvairs at corvair.org>; Fastvair <fastvair at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 12:16 PM
Subject: engine break in advice
Block not opened. New pistons, rings, con rod bearings, valves, lifters
etc.?Pistons and con rods balanced. iron rings +60.
?It has run at 1500 for about 15 min and sounds OK,?35 lbs?oil pressure. I
want more advice for the 100 mile break in run.?Oil and?filter changed after
that.
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2015 10:22:45 -0700
From: "Charlie" <chaz at properproper.com>
To: "'BBRT'" <chsadek at comcast.net>
Cc: 'Virtual Vairs' <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
Subject: <VV> Gear lube is the new religion ...
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My problem is just that I have to tell my friend who was gracious enough to
buy and install GL-5 in a transaxle that is now IN the car, to drain it out
and replace it with GL-4.
That's gratitude for ya :<{
So, (a) I have to know MUCH MORE than I had given him credit for knowing to
(b) tell him to throw it away and (c) tell him to un-do his favor ~OR~
change it behind him back so as not to offend him (or) tell him I know more
than him (he's an SAE certified tech, and I'm not.)
So far on VV I've heard "do whatever you want" and "Only use this" and "Only
use that" (not to mention a million different brands and labels) and my
favorite, "just do what I tell you to do and stop fighting about it!"
Everyone seems to thinks it's so simple, but everyone has a different
"simple" solution and can't understand why anyone would not do as they do.
This has been one of the most confusing threads EVER to perpetuate itself on
VV, imho ...
I'm just going to use whatever I have since someone will agree with me on
that thread, I just have to dig for it...
Aarrgghh ...
Charlie
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2015 13:30:01 -0400
From: BobHelt at aol.com
To: chaz at properproper.com, chsadek at comcast.net
Cc: virtualvairs at corvair.org
Subject: Re: <VV> Gear lube is the new religion ...
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Charlie,
You're exaggerating the problem. Just use a non-Red Line lube with only a
GL-4 rating (no other ratings on the container)
Bob Helt
In a message dated 4/8/2015 10:23:06 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
virtualvairs at corvair.org writes:
This has been one of the most confusing threads EVER to perpetuate itself
on
VV, imho ...
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