<VV> Classification and Scoring
mr.jebecker at gmail.com
Mon Jun 29 14:28:30 EDT 2015
Grouping late/early etc. on the field and assigning judges on such divisions
is simply a convenience done to expedite judging. That can be done as part
of the judging procedures whether the cars are classified or not. Whether
it has any direct bearing on fairness is open to discussion. Point totals
are treated as absolutes. e.g. 96 points for an early open is considered
equal to 96 points for a late closed, even though it was determined by a
totally different set of judges that had substantially different items to
inspect. Actual classification of original/restored/stock/modified etc. has
no bearing on the scoring or awarding of color or division designations.
There is nothing wrong with grouping "like" cars together for judging. But
don't kid yourself into thinking it has any other significance.
Agreed, entrants don't read the rules. But adding another document that
repeats part of the one that already exists won't do anything to encourage
people to read either one. Discarding the concept of classification would
eliminate about 3 pages out of the existing rules. Maybe people can manage
to read the 5 pages that would remain.
From: Kenneth Schifftner
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 12:39 PM
To: Jim Becker
Cc: Virtual Vairs
Subject: Re: Classification and Scoring
One of the reasons for classification is the goal of fairness. If you
noticed, all of the Senior Division vehicles were grouped together. The
Concours leaders do this so that the judges compare apples to apples. My
section started in the Late Senior group and it definitely helps in the
judging. A baseline is established that flows to the other vehicles.
The idea of publishing the basic requirements of the Concours recognizes the
fact (at least from what I've seen) that though the full Rules are
published, folks don't read them. A nice summary might help. Just the
basics. When to register, what info must be provided, what will happen at
Unit 6, what is expected of the participant at Concours set up, what is
expected during Concours, etc..
> On Jun 29, 2015, at 12:32 PM, Jim Becker <mr.jebecker at gmail.com> wrote:
> OK, the CORSA web site does not (to my knowledge) have copies of the
> judging sheets and no sample copy of the registration form. However, the
> Concours rules are there. The rules include what is expected of the
> participant and identify the information that is required for the
> registration form. The rules pretty well spell out how the event works
> and what is expected of the participants. There would be a lot less
> confusion if the entrants would all read the rules that are readily
> This whole controversy over the classification of the "Lambrecht" car had
> little impact on the convention. Most of the P&M department that have
> been posting on VV weren't even there.
> By the way, there is a very easy fix for the Concours "classification
> problem". Simply quit classifying. It has no bearing on scores or any of
> the judging. It only determines eligibility for preservation award. The
> preservation award, as currently implemented, is fairly counterproductive
> and needs rework anyway.
> Jim Becker
> -----Original Message----- From: Ken Schifftner via VirtualVairs
> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 10:48 AM
> To: Virtual Vairs
> Subject: Classification and Scoring
> It may be helpful if CORSA would publish a summary of what is expected of
> a Concours participant and how the event works. Given that info, I think
> there will be less confusion.
> Example: . . .
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