<VV> FC's at Barrett Jackson at Scottsdale January 15th, 2020

Rod Murray rmurray at pittsburghpenguins.com
Sat Jan 18 20:13:53 EST 2020

Hi Eric,

I appreciate your note...it’s very thoughtful, well-stated, and certainly well-intended for our hobby.   If you don’t mind, I’d like to offer a couple of alternate thoughts...

- I agree with your points favoring the Corvair FC over other “similar” vehicles, but I
disagree w the idea of putting a self-imposed ceiling on FC value (or any Corvair) as a means to entice any future enthusiast to choose ours over another.
- I don’t believe it’s the Corvair marque’s responsibility (or their owners) to save the classic car hobby for the next generation.  People like what they like, and will buy accordingly.
- Like any other old car, Corvairs range from project Condition to high-end - they’re worth whatever the market will bear, which is essentially whatever a buyer is willing to pay, and a current owner is entitled to ask fair market value when selling.  If seller wants to deal in order to put their vehicle into a new enthusiast’s hands for the long-term health of our marque, that’s certainly their choice.
- Like so many other old cars , Corvairs are already readily available at real entry-level classic car prices.  I don’t believe that’s because of a self-imposed ceiling.  And even as prices climb, I don’t think Corvair owners will be retiring on whatever they eventually sell their Corvair for.  FWIW Condition is still everything, and I truly appreciate seeing the escalating value of a well-maintained, restored, or very unique Corvair. That’s how it should be, and frankly, it’s about time.
- I did a quick online “inflation” value comp ...$1 in 1965 = $8.12 today. Hence a new Corvair costing $2,500 in 1965 would cost just over $20k today - unfortunately that’s probably an unlikely new car sticker price today for anything other than a stripped model being sold on Presidents Day next to a mattress store, so its good to know that good condition Corvairs are still readily available well below that figure (less than half?), so are ceiling caps even necessary? Btw Here’s that comp link if you want to play w numbers.  https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/
- The end of the gasoline-era is upon us , and it’s going to go away entirely over the next 2 decades (as it should). As we head into the electric vehicle era, conversion kits are already starting to be introduced and will be inevitable options for classic cars.  I believe this is how our classic car Hobby will survive.  An EV conversion won’t be for everyone - particularly anyone who’s primary focus is about traditional engine horsepower.  But otherwise, I’m excited at how well-suited our FC’s and Corvairs overall are for EV conversion, ironically, especially the originally low-selling Loadsides - think about it, installing a battery-pkg in that PITA lower bed area will finally gives that space it’s greatest purpose.

Wow this turned into a really long message, but all in all, a fun topic of discussion...

Vairy best
Rod Murray
Pittsburgh, Western PA Corvair Club
(I have an FC in pieces, I do not own a fancy, valuable Corvair)

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On Jan 18, 2020, at 1:24 PM, Eric Taylor <corveric at me.com> wrote:


If you are thinking of selling, increased values are good.  Unfortunately, I think that the lower values is what will attract future buyers to our FCs.  VW FCs are ridiculously overpriced and far inferior.  The Ford and Dodge versions just did not measure up to the Corvair FCs and the Jeep model is too different to compare.

The current attraction of our FCs is the low price to get into the hobby.  It is critical to develop the farm team of car enthusiasts as much as we can so that when we all pass away, there is somebody left to buy our old heaps, otherwise they will all go to the scrap pile.  Low priced entry level models are critical for this.  I feel that over the next ten to twenty years there will be a glut of old cars coming on the market.  Those with enough money can cherry pick but a lot of cars will be of limited interest and may well end up neglected or scrapped.  Has every old car owner/enthusiast done enough to kindle interest by young people?

I read an interesting article lately that espoused that the age of the automobile has peaked and is on the downhill slide.  I know that for years before my birth and through most of my years, the new car showroom has been the mecca for many men, and that was the beginning of the argument they presented in that article.  It then presented some opinions that the current mecca for young men is the electronics industry - The generation of today would rather have the latest cell phone and ride public transit.

Here are a couple of links to similar columns, I could not find the same one again…



How can we, as current owners of these old gems, buck this trend?  How can we generate interest by the younger generations in old cars to at least maintain values?

Eric Taylor
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Our time is coming!

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-----Original Message-----
From: Rod Murray <rmurray at pittsburghpenguins.com
Sent: January 16, 2020 10:50 AM
To: Eric Taylor <corveric at me.com
Cc: virtualvairs at corvair.org
Subject: Re: <VV FC's at Barrett Jackson at Scottsdale January 15th, 2020

Good of course!  What can possibly make value appreciation a bad thing?

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On Jan 16, 2020, at 11:32 AM, Eric Taylor via VirtualVairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org<mailto:virtualvairs at corvair.org> wrote:

I see at least two FC's sold at BJ Auction at Scottsdale January 15th, 2020.

A yellow, very original, unrestored '62 Rampside went for $26K +buyers

 premium .  That one was owned by a close friend of mine until he

 passed a few years ago here near Vancouver, Canada.  It has been in a

 collection ever since then.

Also, a '61 Loadside fully restored and beautiful went for $39K

 +buyers premium.

Is it good to see prices increasing on these trucks?  Or bad?

Eric Taylor


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