<CORSA Chapters> [Corsabod] Poll

Fri Dec 18 00:11:47 EST 2009

Pete,

I'm sorry your cynisism prevents you from taking me up on my sincere offer.

I was only looking for input, trying to do my job as a new Board Member.
Seems to me, if you're not even interested in talking, one on one, with a
board member, why would you bother to subscribe to an email list for an
organization that you're not even a member of? You obviously have some
interest or desire to know about the inner workings of CORSA. It's your
opportunity, If you don't want to take advantage of it, I will be forced to
file your input away with others that seem to only have the objective of
stirring the pot.

I don't know, maybe there's another reason you don't want to talk to me.

George Jones
--------------------------------
Secretary, Corvair Society of America (CORSA)
Eastern Division Director, CORSA
Performance Corvair Group
Central Florida Corvair Club (Since 2009)
Tidewater Corvair Club (since 1987)
Central Virginia Corvair Club (since 2006)
CORSA (since 1987)
'65 Monza Crown V8 Convertible
'66 Monza Coupe Custom

On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Corvair Paddy <corvairp at yahoo.com> wrote:

>  Hi George,
>
> The ole sales strategy at play within CORSA too, can I get your number and
> convince you to join ploy.  No, not today, but thank you, I'll watch for the
> successes from the board and see if they can actually deliver on the please
> be patient posts for the past several months.  Make me a believer and you
> make me a member. To bad CORSA doesn't have a lifetime membership or junior
> membership, I do have a junior I wouldn't mind getting a monthly newsletter
> to, but I do not personally need one.
>
> As you can imagine, I have had private posts with some board members, some
> even meant to send emails to other directors but actually copied me instead,
> that is always funny if not taken seriously, and I'm known to be on the
> lighter side of serious.  Now, you could challenge me and humiliate your
> other directors whom have accidentally done such and I do not mind revealing
> the emails, perhaps you already know about them from board emails, who
> knows, but I will kiss and tell, so ask if you must.
>
> Yes, you must have missed those emails referenced below.  Surprisingly, if
> these made it to the list, there must be others only to the board that have
> been transmitted.
>
> Pete Diaz
> 1960 Sedan
> 50th Anniversary and Counting!
>
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* George Jones <65crownv8 at gmail.com>
> *To:* Corvair Paddy <corvairp at yahoo.com>
> *Cc:* tim mahler <flat6vair at comcast.net>; Chapters at corvair.org;
> corsabod at corvair.org
> *Sent:* Wed, December 16, 2009 10:26:31 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Corsabod] Poll
>
> ......  I know... do I want to volunteer, no, I've seen the emails some
> board members post to the chapters list spewing vicious, rude, grade school
> comments. (Bob something) (I think), no thank you!! .....
>
> Woa! did I miss something here? I don't recall any vicious, rude or grade
> school comments from any of the board members to the chapters list. I could
> be wrong, but I don't recall anything being said that would warrant someone
> being kicked off the board.
>
> Pete, I would like to extend the offer to talk with you about your
> perception of the board and CORSA in general. You can feel free to call me
> at 757-589-9949 (before 11:00PM,if you don't mind), or you can private post
> me with your phone number and a good time to call and I would be happy to
> talk with you. I am very interested in hearing all of your reasons for not
> wanting to join CORSA, but are interested enough in the organization to
> subscribe to one or more of its' email lists. Would you mind, at least,
> telling us what chapter you are affiliated with?
>
> Thank you,
>
> George Jones
> --------------------------------
> Secretary, Corvair Society of America (CORSA)
> Eastern Division Director, CORSA
> Performance Corvair Group
> Central Florida Corvair Club (Since 2009)
> Tidewater Corvair Club (since 1987)
> Central Virginia Corvair Club (since 2006)
> CORSA (since 1987)
> '65 Monza Crown V8 Convertible
> '66 Monza Coupe Custom
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Corvair Paddy <corvairp at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>>   Thanks, Makes sense now, but why doesn't the board enact some of Mr
>> Helts previous suggestions or the multitude of other postings suggested.
>> We've all seen the posting from some of the board members saying just wait
>> trust us, but why should we, what is currently on the floor, does the board
>> have a five year plan, including financial, an agenda for 2010,
>> accomplishments for 2009, the web page, looks and acts like a beginners
>> page, do we actually pay someone to do this.  I know... do I want to
>> volunteer, no, I've seen the emails some board members post to the chapters
>> list spewing vicious, rude, grade school comments. (Bob something) (I
>> think), no thank you!!  Was he spoken to from the President or any other
>> officers for his conduct, I may have booted him off the board if that was
>> allowed.  Not someone, I would want as a poster boy for CORSA.
>>
>> What did you guys and gals decide on for the purple? award and what actual
>> claim to fame did the lady have with the Corvair besides drive a corvair for
>> yenko.  Wasn't she buried in a vette, I googled her and I did not see a
>> reason to honor her for the vair, any board members point to some facts
>> behind her corvair revelations. May she rest in peace, no disrespect, I just
>> thought wow, what did she do to get the acknowledgement.
>>
>> Maybe when the board enacts some of the meaningful suggestions posted,
>> would I or others consider to volunteer.  But thanks to those that are
>> currently occupying those seats, but at the same time what is happening,
>> hardly any membership input, seems like old school.
>>
>> Want more members provide something beneficial for the members besides the
>> newsletter, which is fine for the older demographics.  Provide the
>> suggestions that have been posted for the younger crowd.  Pretty boring to
>> date.
>>
>> IMHO, which means nothing, anyway, thanks for listening.
>>
>> How low would CORSA be willing to go, overhead can't be cheap or can it,
>> the communique looks like a cut and paste weekend project, does any of the
>> entries tempt you to read any of the articles.  Does the beginning sentence
>> anywhere capture the imagination, not so much, boring, look up the
>> definition of a professional editor, the book could use a major overhaul.
>> When was the last time that was initiated and then before that and then when
>> will the next time be to capture the audiences attention.
>>
>> Hey, heard a post recently and a year or so ago or maybe even longer than
>> that, tech guide three in a new format, is that still way behind schedule,
>> release tomorrow, any news?  Is CORSA paying to have this done or just
>> volunteers?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Pete Diaz
>> 1960 Sedan
>>  ------------------------------
>> *From:* tim mahler <flat6vair at comcast.net>
>> *To:* Corvair Paddy <corvairp at yahoo.com>; Chapters at corvair.org
>> *Cc:* corsabod at corvair.org
>>
>> *Sent:* Mon, December 14, 2009 9:50:21 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Corsabod] Poll
>>
>> Pete
>>
>> I did not mean to cause a stir,  but simply to (re)ask an age old
>> question.  At one time in the past, CORSA did require 100% membership of
>> chartered chapters.  It did not last for more than a few years.
>>
>> I do not necessarily disagree with your basic assessment -- those willing
>> to join will, those not won't.
>>
>> That said,  the board was asking to get feed back for several concepts to
>> make membership more affordable.  We thought if the rate was low enough (how
>> low that may be is another question altogether)  then satisfying all the
>> "make it 100%" advocates may be possible.  Of course,  making everyone happy
>> is not possible.
>>
>> thanks
>> tim mahler
>>
>> btw:
>>
>> the by-laws that should be reference may be Article VI section 2.
>> Chapters. "Groups of Society members who meet the geographic and membership
>> requirements of the Society Chapter Plan will be chartered as a chapter of
>> the Society. Organizational requirements of a group forming a local chapter,
>> the responsibilities of the Society in this relationship, and benefits to
>> the chapter will be defined in an operating policy of the Society called the
>> Chapter Plan. There will be no charge to the local chapter, beyond dues of
>> members, for the privilege of chapter status."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Corvair Paddy <corvairp at yahoo.com>
>> *To:* Chapters at corvair.org
>> *Cc:* corsabod at corvair.org
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2009 7:39 PM
>> *Subject:* [Corsabod] Poll
>>
>>  *Some could argue that the by-laws as currently written would not
>> support a move of this nature -
>> *
>>
>> *The only needs it would satisfy is the boards need for additional
>> revenue.  Those that wish to Join CORSA are most likely CORSA members or
>> plan to be so in the very near future.*
>>
>> Where in the below  - does it provide for the mechanism being looked at
>> (or as some say have been looked at for years)?
>>
>> Pete Diaz
>>
>> 1960 Sedan
>>
>>
>> *
>> *
>>
>> *
>> *
>>
>> *
>> *
>>
>> *Article II: Purpose and Objectives *
>>
>> *Section 1: Purpose *
>>
>> The purpose of the Society is to provide an organization which satisfies
>> the common needs of individuals interested in the operation, preservation,
>> restoration, and enjoyment of the Corvair automobile and its derivatives.
>>
>> *Section 2: Objectives *
>>
>> Objectives of the Society are to aid and encourage the ownership,
>> preservation and enjoyment of all Corvair vehicles by:
>>
>> 1) Providing a periodic publication to keep Society members informed of
>> technical, historical and social activities, and information related to the
>> Corvair automobile and to the Society.
>>
>> 2) Promoting local, regional and national social events.
>>
>> 3) Providing organizational and guidance material for chapters of the
>> Society.
>>
>> 4) Providing standards for conducting participative and competitive
>> events.
>>
>> 5) Encouraging the availability of Corvair parts.
>>
>> 6) Providing items of memorabilia to Society members.
>>
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