<CORSA Chapters> Combining Chapter and National membership fees; shared databases

Sat Feb 28 14:14:55 EST 2009

I am agreement that this would be good.  But us management types are over 
simplifying the web developement thus. Such as When do you count a month a 
whole month?  1st? 3rd? 15th? 25th?  Just one of many things to be 
sorted/decided to make this work.

OK.  Doable.  Takes time -- time away from other projects,  Harry does not 
have unlimited time. <damn>    Lots of projects,  my next task is too look 
at the many suggestions from VV and elsewhere and set my priorities,  then 
ask the board what they think.

Another expense  Paying online incurs a processing fee.  not significant, 
but the CORSA budget has noticed it.  But,  I think CORSA will pay those 
fees on behalf of the chapters .

It can be done as an optional thing.   pay direct to the chapter,  or online 
through CORSA,   Does NOT need to be linked to a CORSA renewal -- think 
shopping cart of chapter dues.   Pick the chapters you want to join -- one 
or many  I pay dues to 3 chapters;
Being able to renew all three chapters at once, is a convenience that helps 
the chapters.

And helping the chapters is a good thing because the chapters are the ones 
that are best able to recruit new CORSA members.

I've added this to the project list......which is getting quite long. 
Setting some priorities is the next step for the board.  The back-end 
reporting system -- readily viewable by the chapter reps <Jack Pinard's 
suggestion,  open reporting>  is important.

Other gotchas?

tim mahler

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Hubbell" <whubbell at cox.net>
To: "'Robert Marlow'" <Vairtec at optonline.net>; <chapters at corvair.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: <CORSA Chapters> Combining Chapter and National membership
fees;shared databases

> Thanks, Bob.
>
> Instead of just bringing up the potential problems with the idea, why not
> also suggest possible solutions, so we can move forward?
>
> Addressing your concerns - just my ideas, but let's hear yours:
>
> First of all, we set this up as a strictly voluntary offer, much like we
> do
> with having CORSA server host the chapter web sites - chapters can opt in
> or
> opt out - their choice, and at their speed and level of comfort.
>
> As for cost - before I would answer, I would want to know exactly how time
> we are actually talking about.  There would be, of course, some initial
> administrative cost to set up the web site to allow people to "buy" their
> chapter membership when renewing CORSA dues, assuming that is how we set
> it
> up (preferred over sending paper bills for cost reasons).  Additional
> administrative time would be spend actually handling the money and making
> payment to the chapters, but again, once set up, actual time spent should
> be
> minimal.  Overall, I would see this as a benefit of CORSA membership and
> the
> cost would therefore come out of CORSA dues and to be part of the
> management
> team's job description and therefore paid as part of their contract, as
> negotiated between them and CORSA. However, to a certain extent, this
> might
> improve membership in either CORSA or the Chapters, especially if some
> sort
> of joint-membership discounts can be agreed upon - expense of such
> discount
> to likely be shared between chapter and CORSA, per mutual agreement.
>
> As for the issues that face the local clubs with timing of dues payments,
> multi-year discounts, etc., let the local clubs decide how they want to
> set
> up the options and CORSA simply provide those options on the renewal form
> or
> on-line "store".  This idea works best on-line because it is easy and
> cost-effective to set-up as many options as needed, as opposed to a paper
> renewal form.
>
> For instance, consider this sample (note - using current fees from
> Communique):
>
> **************************CORSA Membership
> Store****************************
>
> Please select any one of the following options for whichever clubs you
> wish
> to join (note: you must be a CORSA member to use these services)
>
> CORSA Membership (Join or Renew)
> [] One Year Membership.................................................$38
> [] 26 Month Membership.................................................$76
> (etc.)
>
> 010 Stock Corvair Group
> [] One Year membership................................................$10
>
>
> 074 NJACE Membership
> [] One Year Membership.................................................$X
> [] Two Year Membership.................................................$Y
> Note: please specify type of membership desired (cost is the same either
> way):
> [] Individual (no further information needed)
> [] Family (if this box is checked, web site will open new boxes to get
> name
> information for additional members)
>
> 236 Tidewater Corvair Club Membership
> [] Full year membership (runs from June through May)...................$12
> [] Pro-rated membership (figured from today's date to next June at
> $1/month)
> [] Newsletter only (annual)............................................$5
>
>
> Anyway, I could go on, but you should be able to get the idea.  The hard
> part is building the "store" website with the multiple choices, but Harry
> already has this in process.  If CORSA board were to approve the concept
> the
> next step would be up to the Chapters to decide to join up and provide
> their
> individual requirements, etc.
>
> Bill Hubbell
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: chapters-bounces at corvair.org [mailto:chapters-bounces at corvair.org]
> On
> Behalf Of Robert Marlow
> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 11:07 PM
> To: Bill Hubbell; chapters at corvair.org
> Subject: Re: <CORSA Chapters> Combining Chapter and National membership
> fees; shared databases
>
> I find the idea appealing on its face, but I can see where it would
> have to be eased in over time, due to the wide variations in Chapter
> dues structures, member types, renewal dates, and so on.
>
> Of greater concern is the simple fact that nothing in this world is
> free.  By asking CORSA to administer, collect and distribute Chapter
> dues, we are asking our paid management team to do more.  Is the cost
> of this to be absorbed by CORSA?  By the Chapters?  By the management
> team?
>
> At first blush, I thought that this would be very easy for my local
> chapter because we have only one dues rate, X dollars per year.  Then
> I realized that even for my local club there would be complexities to
> be resolved.  We offer a discounted two-year rate (which CORSA should
> do instead of that unique-in-all-the-world 26-month thing).  Every
> member's membership runs on a fiscal year, from April first through
> March 31st, rather than on an individual's anniversary date.  We
> renew our memberships right now, just before Springtime.  New members
> get a bonus, their first-year dues takes them anywhere from 12 to 23
> months, depending on when they join.  Oh, and you can specify either
> an "individual" membership or a "family" membership (up to two adults
> and all children under 18 living in a single household).  Dues are
> the same either way.
>
> So even for my local club to participate, where I at first thought it
> would be "clean" because we have only one price, significant
> adjustments would have to be made.
>
> Still, an idea worth kicking around further.
>
> --Bob
>
> Robert W Marlow
> Vairtec at optonline.net
>
>
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