CORSA 2012: Convention Concours schedule (UNCLASSIFIED)

Tue Aug 2 14:19:05 EDT 2011

Brian:

Not to connfuse (too much), maybe judge Friday then give out the primary awards such as the Cole, Autocross and Rally awards at the banquet...right after the keynote speaker.  Kinda frosting on the cake...

Give out the Concours awards during the car show Saturday....thus the Concours folks are encouraged to stay and the public can see why the "best" are the "best"...

That should keep things moving along.

Sounds like we are getting a lot of constructive suggestions.

I must say that the CORSA Concours Committee is not dictating to us (that I've heard).  They simply did not feel comfortable doing the Concours and banquest on the same day. 

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>From: "O'Neill, Brian M CTR USA" <brian.oneill1 at us.army.mil>
>Sent: Aug 2, 2011 9:13 AM
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>Mike,
>	Thanks for the vote of confidence.  If we hold the concours
>awards on Saturday near the end of the car display; get the local radio
>station to do a remote at the display and work on getting as much local
>publicity as possible; we will have a great day. Plus great PR for
>Corvairs.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: michel paroz [mailto:mparoz1 at gmail.com] 
>Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 9:11 AM
>To: O'Neill, Brian M CTR USA
>Cc: 2012 Convention
>Subject: Re: CORSA 2012: Convention Concours schedule (UNCLASSIFIED)
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>You are the Boss so if you think the new proposal is ok, let's do it.
>But I am still desapointed as showing the cars on Saturday when peoples
>are out of work. It would have been a real good PR.
>Michel(mike) Paroz
>
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>On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 2:53 PM, O'Neill, Brian M CTR USA
><brian.oneill1 at us.army.mil> wrote:
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>	On Saturday during the car display, I had a meeting with Jamie
>Reinhardt
>	the CORSA president, Jim Allen the CORSA Concours chair, Larry
>Claypool
>	the Concours classification and operational check guy, Jason our
>	regional director and Bay State member.  Also in attendance was
>Harry
>	Jensen the CORSA Executive secretary. The purpose of the meeting
>was to
>	review the positions of the attendees regarding our proposes
>convention
>	schedule that had the Concours and car display on Saturday.  It
>was
>	apparent to me that no decision regarding the proposed schedule
>had been
>	made by the CORSA BOD.  I had a number of conversations during
>the week
>	with some of the Board members to gage the support for our
>position but
>	wasn't sure there would be enough votes if it came to a
>showdown.
>	
>	
>	
>	During the week, I had discovered that this convention was only
>the
>	second time a computer based scoring was used.  I'm not ignoring
>the
>	1984 NJACE Parsippany convention.  However since then the
>Concours
>	judging has exploded. There are now seven or eight sheets per
>car to be
>	entered into the data base.  Last year's 10 people and nine
>hours
>	project didn't happen this time. It was much, much faster this
>year.
>	However, the posting of the scores is till a major operation.  I
>watched
>	the posting and it is time consuming.  Practice will reduce the
>time
>	required. Short of totally reforming the whole concours scoring
>system,
>	there isn't much that can be done to reduce the time required.
>	Reforming the concours isn't what we need to do to have a
>successful
>	convention.
>	
>	
>	
>	The first part of the meeting was all opinion about who would
>and would
>	not come because we intended to have the Concours on Saturday
>after the
>	moving events.  The same old 'the cars will get dirty' talk. I
>said we
>	should concentrate on the facts not 'what ifs'. We reviewed the
>time
>	required to post the scores and all agreed that it was better
>not still
>	requires hours to complete.  It was obvious to me that no
>changes to the
>	whole mutli-sheet process was going to happen.
>	
>	
>	
>	In my mind, there were only a couple of options.  One was to
>bow to
>	pressure, change our whole schedule and have the concours first.
>I
>	wasn't ready to make this major concession.  Another option was
>to make
>	it a 'take it or leave it' choice for the Board.  In spite of my
>	hardnosed attitude before the convention, I knew that neither us
>nor
>	CORSA would benefit from this.  I was searching for some sort of
>	compromise. I was about to propose moving the concours to Friday
>when
>	Jim Allen the concours chair made the same proposal. I was
>thrilled
>	because he was willing to accept that the concours would happen
>after
>	the moving events. The only thing he asked was that we end the
>Thursday
>	rally around 4 PM so they can classify and operational check the
>cars
>	that evening.  I think we can accommodate that.
>	
>	
>	
>	I told the group that I thought we could live with this but that
>I had
>	to check the  NECC folks. Personally, I support this compromise.
>As I
>	mentioned , it would take a complete revamping of the whole
>concours
>	scoring business to reduce the time requirements for posting.
>Doing the
>	Concours on Saturday makes the trophies a real headache, one we
>don't
>	need.  Please let me know your position on this.
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