[SCG] Re: Application to form new Special Interest Group Chapter: Stock Corvair Group

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Absolutely, Kent. From the CPF perspective, this is a valuable event and
has much potential for the future. Not having an SCG event is, well, a
two letter acronym with B as the first letter....

Dave  

On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:36:14 -0800 "Kent Sullivan"
<kentsu at corvairkid.com> writes:
> Hi,
> 
> I sure hope we can work something out. It is a surprise to me that 
> the
> convention committee and Sarah were not aware of the annual SCG 
> event. As
> Bill detailed below, we took several steps to help ensure that 
> everyone was
> up to speed and informed.
> 
> This group is one of the few recent efforts in CORSA to try to spark 
> a new
> type of interest in our vehicles and get some new blood involved. As 
> you
> know, concours participation and stockness in general has been 
> waning for
> several years. The SCG is trying to reverse that.
> 
> Since Bill received the direction from Harry in Portland to work out 
> the
> details of the event with the host clubs, which he did, it does not 
> seem
> proper to change course now. Bill did as he was directed by a 
> veteran member
> of the Convention Committee.
> 
> If the event is canceled, I fear it will have major detrimental 
> effects on
> the enthusiasm of those people. I doubt that is a good idea given 
> the
> current membership situation.
> 
> --Kent
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Hubbell [mailto:whubbell at cox.net] 
> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 5:43 PM
> To: sarahvair at juno.com
> Cc: CORSA/CPF BoD; Mark Corbin; Rich Thompson; Stan East; Sam & 
> Marissa
> Andolino; Kent Sullivan; Dave Ellis; Bill Chellis; Dave Newell;
> scg-list at tiger.skiblack.com
> Subject: Fw: Application to form new Special Interest Group Chapter: 
> Stock
> Corvair Group
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: sarahvair at juno.com
>   To: whubbell at umich.edu
>   Cc: sgeast at interlog.com
>   Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 6:55 PM
>   Subject: Annual Stock Corvair Event
> 
> 
>   Bill,
> 
>   We met recently in Buffalo to go over the schedule for the 
> convention. 
> During this time it was brought up that you had posted a "special" 
> display 
> for the SCG.  Harry, Larry and myself were unaware that you intended 
> to do 
> this and felt that our schedule is much to tight as it is.
> 
>   Stan then said that according to your by-laws it states you will 
> have this
> 
> event annually.  I advised Stan that I never saw the bylaws for SCG. 
>  I 
> thought a little bit about it and said you know, I think maybe he 
> did send 
> it, but I didn't really have any need to read them.  Yes, when SCG 
> became a 
> chapter, Charlie West had the documents and forwarded them onto 
> Harry. 
> Charlie made his recommendation to the Board, but we don't need to 
> read the 
> by-laws.
> 
>   In my personal opinion, if a chapter or special interest group has 
> a 
> policy, that does not mean
>   that CORSA is bound to abide by those policies. CORSA must adhere 
> to its 
> own policies.  At the very least if you intended this to be a part 
> of the 
> convention, you should have run this by Larry Claypool since he is 
> the 
> Convention Chairman.  As you know, there are P & P's for conventions 
> and if 
> your group wanted a designated display area, then you would need to 
> address 
> the convention P & P as well.
> 
>   That being said, we have decided there is no room on the 
> convention 
> schedule for a second display area.  You do have a couple of 
> choices.  We do
> 
> have an open class in the Car Display.  If you'd like to have the 
> cars 
> displayed there, then they will be voted on and awarded awards 
> accordingly. 
> However, the cars will not be able to enter Concours if this is the 
> case. 
> The other choice is to make it part of you SCG group meeting.  Meet 
> inside 
> and then adjourn to the parking lot, etc.  If you run out of time 
> you could 
> decide at a later time where and when to all meet, however, the only 
> time we
> 
> will list in the schedule is the time pre-set for the SCG.
> 
>   Sarah
> 
> 
> 
> The Annual Stock Corvair event has always been stated as part of the 
> plan. 
> It was carefully crafted and spelled out in all of the documents 
> that were 
> sent to all of the Board members, to Harry, Charlie, and to involved 
> members
> 
> of the club (see copy of header, below).  The event was added to the 
> Buffalo
> 
> convention by Stan East and other members of the board of the host 
> clubs, 
> and arrangements for time and place were also might want to made by 
> them. 
> Also, I did specifically discuss the ASCE with Harry at the Portland 
> 
> Convention and he asked me to work out the details with the host 
> clubs - he 
> did not seem concerned with the details.  Further, the ASCE was 
> included as 
> a specific event on the plan the Board was given for the Buffalo 
> convention 
> at the Portland Board meeting - if you still have it, you might want 
> to take
> 
> a look at it.
> 
> I am afraid that we cannot hold the ASCE on the same day as the 
> Concours and
> 
> Car Display, as we specifically designed the ASCE to be held on 
> another day 
> so as not to compete with them and to make it possible for any car 
> wishing 
> to attend both to be able to do so.  This is also spelled out in 
> detail in 
> the supporting document which were sent to all board members.  We 
> also made 
> a point of setting it up so as not to overlap existing events.
> 
> The ASCE was further mentioned in my "Directors Turn at the Wheel 
> column 
> which was published in the August Communiqué - which I also ran by 
> the Board
> 
> and by Mike and Harry.
> 
> Thus, I find it a little hard to believe that you are only just now 
> finding 
> out about this.  I also do not understand the problem, as this was 
> all being
> 
> worked out by members of the SCG and the hosting clubs.  It has 
> always been 
> the plan that the ASCE would be an event run by the SCG itself, not 
> by 
> CORSA, but to be held at the CORSA convention.
> 
> If you are telling me now that the ASCE is not gong to be held as we 
> have 
> planned, I think you have some explaining to do to a lot of people.  
> The 
> CORSA Board of Directors, given ample information and proper 
> notification, 
> fully supported the formation of the SCG and the ASCE.  Several 
> members of 
> the CORSA BoD are also members of the SCG - Tony, Rich, Tim, myself, 
> and 
> Kent Sullivan, former Board member.  Larry Claypool is a member of 
> the SCG 
> and has been copied on all correspondence.  Many other prominent 
> members of 
> CORSA are also SCG members, and are expecting this event.  Dave 
> Ellis, Stan 
> East, Marissa Andolino and many others are on the SCG committee 
> which is 
> coordinating this event and have been working diligently to pull it 
> off.
> 
> I am copying this to all the members of the SCG, including SCG 
> officers and 
> SCG Research team, and to the CORSA Board.
> 
> 
> Bill Hubbell
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bill Hubbell" <whubbell at cox.net>
> To: "CORSA/CPF BoD" <corsabod at corvair.org>; "Harry Jensen" 
> <hljensen at comcast.net>; "Charlie West" <kandcwest at earthlink.net>
> Cc: "Doug C Barneck" <Doug.Barneck at tigta.treas.gov>; "Bill Chellis" 
> 
> <chelvis at camano.net>; "Bill Hubbell" <whubbell at umich.edu>; "Dave 
> Newell" 
> <chevrobilia at juno.com>; "Ed Bittman" <MarPack57 at aol.com>; "Henry 
> Kaczmarek" 
> <kaczmarek at charter.net>; "J R Read_HML" <hmlinc at sbcglobal.net>; 
> "Jeff 
> Schramm" <jeff.schramm at gmail.com>; "Kent Sullivan" 
> <kentsu at corvairkid.com>; 
> rk Corbin" <airvair at richnet.net>; "Mike Stillwell" 
> <yenko117 at yahoo.com>; 
> "Rich Thompson" <richard.w.thompson at usa.dupont.com>; "Robert 
> Landers" 
> <CorsaRob at charter.net>; "Stan East" <sgeast at interlog.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 1:57 PM
> Subject: Application to form new Special Interest Group Chapter: 
> Stock 
> Corvair Group
> (Attachments: SCG Policy on Stock Assessment Manuals.Doc; SCG Policy 
> for 
> Annual Stock Corvair Event.doc; SCG Newsletter policy.doc; Chapter 
> Application.doc; Bylaws of Stock Corvair Group.doc; Taking 
> Stock.doc)
> 
> Charlie, Harry, and CORSA BOD members:
> 
> Enclosed please find electronic version of CORSA application to form 
> a new
> CORSA Special Interest Group chapter named "Stock Corvair Group".  
> All
> supporting documents are also attached.  Per Chapter Plan 
> Guidelines, we
> would like the BOD to consider this application and give approval in 
> a
> timely fashion.
> 
> Please direct any questions to me.
> 
> Bill Hubbell
> President-elect, Stock Corvair Group
> 
> 
> 
> 
>