[SCG] [Corsabod] concours class name

[lynndee at cwo.com]

Without wanting to reply to the extremly long letter from Mark wanting to
address and  the point.... I believe Ken replied just as I was going to
do. May I add front of the engine vs rear of the engine.
An example of an alternative term for Class 3 would have been more
productive.

Dave Palmer

==================================================================== Hi Mark,
> You know me, I say what I feel and I am straight forward and honest with
> no incurred meanings.
>
> In everything that you said about the name change you didn't offer what
> you thought it should be for the proper "terminology" for the class.
>
> FYI, terminology is something a lot of people have forgotten and calling
> something by an incorrect name can be misleading and misinformation. The
> only way I can explain it is what I have to do on an almost daily basis in
> educating people on which is left and right in a vehicle! Even front and
> back!
>
> All I ask is a simple reply with a class name that you think is
> appropriate for the class 3 and I will make sure it gets talked about.
> Even though you offer a name it may or may not get changed, this is up to
> several people and not one person's choice. This also needs to go through
> the concours committee and probably will not have a decision in the amount
> of time you request. As far as being announced in the General meeting? You
> know full well things don't work that way. If there is a change it will
> take place in the Communique announcement and subsequently a rule change.
>
> As far as requesting an apology, one is not needed.
>
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>
> Ken Hand
> Handy Car Care
> 248-613-8586
> www.corvairmechanic.com
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Corbin <airvair at earthlink.net>
> To: CORSA BoD <corsabod at corvair.org>; Jim/Norma Diell <njdl at sympatico.ca>
> Cc: Kent Sullivan <kentsu at corvairkid.com>; Bill Hubbell
> <whubbell at verizon.net>; Stock Corvair Group <scg-list at tiger.skiblack.com>
> Sent: Sat, Jun 21, 2014 3:06 am
> Subject: [Corsabod] concours class name
>
>
>
>
> Before I get to the point of this post, I’d like to state that
> regardless of the way I may state something in a typed letter or post, or
> how anyone might THINK about the way they are taking what I am saying, I
> am in no way, shape, or form making any kind of “personal attack”
> against any individual or group. If I happen to mention the word
> “people” or its equivalent in any form, I am making reference to an
> ATTITUDE or THOUGHT that may or may not be held by any individual or
> group, specified or not. Or I may simply be making a statement of obvious,
> observable fact, like saying that a black man is, well, black; and not
> passing or even implying any kind of judgment in the said statement. And I
> am NOT in any way personally referring to that or any other individual,
> person, or group. Simply put, I may not write well, but I am NOT making
> any kind of “personal attack”, period. Anyone taking it any other way
> is misinterpreting the statement. I want to make that point crystal clear
> right off.
>
> The reason for that disclaimer statement goes back to the reason I left VV
> and will never go back. At one point, some (censored) dropped me a private
> email and plainly stated that he was making me his personal vendetta, that
> essentially every time I mentioned the word “people”, even if it
> didn’t concern him in the slightest, he’d cry and whine to VV’s
> thin-skinned moderators, screaming “personal attack!, personal
> attack!”, as if I had PERSONALLY assaulted him PERSONALLY. That kind of
> personal hate campaign I have no use for, and will not stand for it.
>
> That said, I’d like to begin by saying that some people have given me a
> hard time about my mentioning about proper terminology. They just don’t
> understand that there is great power in words. He who controls the words
> used in any given debate controls the outcome. Wise politicians know this,
> or should. They call it “spin.” For example, it’s why the
> “anti-abortion” side of the argument chose to rename themselves the
> “pro-life” side. That’s because the former name was deemed “too
> negative.” The other side chose the same path, renaming themselves
> ”pro-choice” for similar reasons. Both sides wanted to appear
> positive, which attracts support, and not negative, which repels.
>
> The power of terminology is also seen in the CORSA concours rules. Several
> years ago I and others protested the name change for the class 3 cars,
> when they were suddenly and unexpectedly rename the “improved” class.
> When I wrote the original CORSA rules, Woody Schwartz and I sat down and
> discussed what to call the various classes of cars. And yes, the word
> “improved” was considered, but quickly discarded. The reason is simple
> – it is insulting. Its very nature implies that there is something
> deficient about pure stock cars, that they NEED some kind of
> “improvements” to correct those deficiencies in order to be
> acceptable. While this line of thought may seem ridiculous or unimaginable
> to some, it is quite real to others, particularly owners of stock cars. To
> those who love them, there is nothing about stock cars that “needs”
> improving. And changing something from stock may not necessarily be
> considered by some as an “improvement”. Woody had surveyed quite a
> number of people about this specific point, and they all concurred. But it
> seems as though there is a large and/or influential part of CORSA that
> really DOES look down on stock cars, and this dates back to the earliest
> times. When we laid out those classes, a large part of the board wanted to
> water down the definition of “stock” and I had to fight tooth and nail
> to preserve a strict definition. The credit belongs solely to me for
> initially preserving the true definition of stock in concours. And those
> original class names Woody and I chose have withstood the test of several
> decades of usage without complaint. Regardless of who changed the class
> name from what we had laid out or what their misguided and poorly thought
> out reasoning was for doing so, one fact is inescapable. THE WORD
> “IMPROVED” IS INSULTING. I know that I am insulted, and I know that I
> am not alone. The name flat out needs to be pitched, no if’s, and’s,
> or but’s about it.
>
> I would like to know, when will this insult ever be corrected? And will we
> ever get a justly deserved and long overdue apology? I am therefore asking
> that the CORSA board to address this issue at their convention meeting,
> and present their answer to the membership at the annual meeting.
>
> -Mark Corbin
>
>
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