<VV> Re: Valve Adjustment
Richard B
threercb@yahoo.com
Mon, 2 Feb 2004 06:21:08 -0800 (PST)
Ken Hand's excellent post about adjusting valves is the best written full description of the process I've ever seen. This one should become the standard. For those who Still believe in hot adjustments... well... have at it. I'll stick with cold thank you very much. Rich B.
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Today's Topics:
1. Citing the Car Sightings (Ken Wildman)
2. Re: Heads 2 (JVHRoberts@aol.com)
3. Technical manual advertisement (BobHelt@aol.com)
4. Heads 2.1 (Tom Wright)
5. Re: VirtualVairs digest, Vol 1 #3 - 10 msgs (vairologist@juno.com)
6. Corvair Lovers Holiday (wfcc@juno.com)
7. Late Model Coupe Package Shelf (Geoff Johnson)
8. Re:new list headers (Louis C. Armer, Jr.)
9. Re: Re: VirtualVairs digest, Vol 1 #3 - 10 msgs (wfcc@juno.com)
10. Re:"Ole Salty Dog" (Louis C. Armer, Jr.)
11. Re: Warning: Canadian Humour (Shaun)
12. Re: Snip Rant (vairologist@juno.com)
13. RE: Heads 2.1 (Jim Burkhard)
14. Re: NOTE ON BRAKE TUBING (N2VZD@aol.com)
15. Re: Heads 2.1 (Mike Kost)
16. Greenbrier..? (Nikki and Simon)
17. Re: Greenbrier..? valve adjustment (Marc Sheridan)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 16:17:50 -0500
To: virtualvairs@corvair.org
From: Ken Wildman
Subject: Citing the Car Sightings
Bob has opened a Pandora's box here (or 'dora's box for some).
Since his abbreviated plea for eliminating abbrev.s hasn't drawn the sight
of the Net Nazi, yet, I will cite my own pet peeve (a small rascal) about
the incorrect citing of sightings when the site of the sighting is seldom
cited.
It's simple folks (and can be sighted in the appropriate tech manual).
When you see something, it can be quite a sight. But you wouldn't call it
a sight for saw eyes, rather a sight for sore eyes.
In a similar (jugular) vein, when you cite (or quote or refer to) you are
making a citation, not a sighting nor even a site-ing.
When you place the sighting at a given location, you've sited it. At that
site, and no other.
My '66 Convertible is sited in my Garage, and it can be sighted there if
you come to visit. And you can cite me on that.
Sorry if I seem to be *exsighted* about this.
Ken
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Message: 2
From: JVHRoberts@aol.com
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 16:59:21 EST
Subject: Re: Heads 2
To: twright@vaxxine.com, virtualvairs@corvair.org
Which studs are you talking about? Carb studs? Exhaust manifold studs?
Generally the hardware store variety of threaded rod is not all that strong.
Also, if memory serves me, the end that is in the head is oversized, so it'll
be a tight fit, something you're not going to get with all thread. SS is only
Grade 4, at best, and although stronger than the Grade 2 stuff at Home Despot,
it's still not up to the Grade 5 the OE used.
Doesn't Clark's or someone sell replacement studs for this?
John
In a message dated 1/31/2004 2:49:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,
twright@vaxxine.com writes:
I am working on new 140 heads, and I have to put in new studs. I can go to the
local hardware store and get threaded rod, but should I be looking for a
coated metal, or a stainless? Even a coated will rust where I cut it, but I
can paint the exposed areas. Should the studs be set in loctite?
Tom Wright
St.Catharines
www.vaxxine.com/tomspage
66 Corsa 140
Corsa Ontario
CORSA
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Message: 3
From: BobHelt@aol.com
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 18:05:09 EST
To: virtualvairs@corvair.org
Subject: Technical manual advertisement
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Message: 4
From: "Tom Wright"
To:
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 18:24:24 -0500
Subject: Heads 2.1
I should have been more descriptive when asking about studs for the 140 heads
I am working on. These are the studs for the exhaust manifolds, the carb
studs, any other studs protruding from the head itself.
Thanks for all the responses!
Tom Wright
St.Catharines
www.vaxxine.com/tomspage
66 Corsa 140
Corsa Ontario
CORSA
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Message: 5
To: virtualvairs@corvair.org
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 22:48:08 -0500
From: vairologist@juno.com
Subject: Re: VirtualVairs digest, Vol 1 #3 - 10 msgs
Scroll down to the bottom
> > Yesterday, Seth Emerson forwarded an amusing story of a guy trying
> to get
> > his Camaro into and out of his driverway in the snow and ice. In
> that
> > story, the guy from time to time referred to his car as his
> 'Maro.
> > Eww. My ears hurt. I've never particularly liked abbreviated car
> names,
> > and it is a phenomenon that seems to affect Chevrolets
> particularly.
> > 'Vette. 'Vair. I've even seen, in print, 'Velle. God help me,
> I've even
> > seen 'Bu. Yech. But this was my first encounter with 'Maro.
> > A friend used to like to boast that he drove a 'Vette. He did.
> A
> Chevette.
> > As the editor of my local club's newsletter, I'm fairly aggressive
> about
> > editing out "Vair" and replacing it with "Corvair." I'll admit,
> it's a
> > personal quirk. There are other chapters that use "Vair" in the
> club
> name,
> > and still more that use "Vair" in the newsletter name. It's a
> cute pun at
> > times, such as Vair Force and Vair Mail, but it still creeps me
> out.
> > Anyone else bothered by this?
As a matter of fact I was bothered by this. Not abreviated names
but by the low IQ ignorant sons of bitches that cant take enough of their
valuable time to clip a post down to its core thought. It's thoughtless
crap like that ,that makes one person's disgruntled reply sound like a
flame war after it has been repeated a dozen times. BTW Gary.
This is the sanatized version. Smitty
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Message: 6
To: virtualvairs@corvair.org
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 22:05:04 -0600
From: wfcc@juno.com
Subject: Corvair Lovers Holiday
West Florida Corvair Club
Come on Down!
The West Florida Corvair Club is having their 21st Annual Corvair Lovers
Holiday and Cars show from February 13 thru 15th. The weather outside
might be frightful, but you will be warm and toasty inside a huge area
called the Holidome with a heated pool. Everything will kick off at 4:00
p.m. on Friday the 13th when Registration and Hospitality begins. There
will be indoor parts vendors hawking their wares, Every hour on the hour
we will draw for door prizes. All door prizes must be picked up before
the Awards Ceremony at 4:30 pm Saturday when any door prizes left
unclaimed will be given away again. In your registration package will be
two free door prize tickets and the first 50 who register will get a Dash
Plaque and a free Hot Wheels Vairy 8. You will also get a Goody Bag while
they last. At 5:30 pm there will be a Hospitality Dinner that is out of
this world. (Our club really knows how to put on a spread.) You will get
drinks, chips and cookies in the Hospitality Room until 9 pm. After
dinner there will be a Fan Belt Toss and we hope to have zip zap cars to
race on a track for all those young at heart. After all the activities
Friday night, you can go swimming in heated inside pool or enjoy the hot
tub until 10:00 pm. All the night owls can enjoy the Lounge until 1:00
am.
Saturday morning, February 14th, we will have doughnuts and coffee while
they last. This would be a good time to watch the sun come up and take a
walk along the beach before you start cleaning up your car for the Car
Display. If you prefer, take a walk in the late afternoon and watch the
sun go down, but bring a warm coat as it will be windy on the beach. We
will have leftovers, while they last, at 12:00 noon. You can enjoy more
drinks, chips and cookies until 9 pm in the Hospitality Room. At 9:00 am
Ed and Dan will hold a Tech Session in the Holidome and show you how to
lubricate Bearing Housings. At 10:30 am the ladies will get together and
be crafty! At 11:30 am the judges get to eat early so they can go to
their meeting at 12:00 noon and be ready to start judging cars at 12:30
pm. From 11:00 am until 3:00 pm will be our car display. After the
display at 3:00 pm we will have our 7th Annual Valve Cover Race. (We are
saddened that Miss Valve Cover will be unable to attend this year event.)
Our awards ceremony will be held at 4:30 p.m.
At 7:00 p.m. on Saturday night we will have a buffet dinner for those who
registered for the Corvair Lovers Hotel Package. After dinner it is back
to the pool or hot tub and to the Lounge until 1:00 am. Sunday morning
there will be our excellent Sunday morning brunch and a bit of
socializing before everyone hits the road to go back home.
Whew! And we promise a relaxing weekend? Come on down!
Ed Lindsay
850-994-2161
Gary Mierzwa
850-994-5399
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:13:23 -0700
From: Geoff Johnson
To: virtualvairs@corvair.org
Subject: Late Model Coupe Package Shelf
Anyone out there in vv land have a detailed picture of a late model
cardboard package shelf that they can send us?? We are installing the new
package shelf, rear seat cardboard whatever you call it, in our corsa and
dont know what it should really look like. The one in our Corsa was
basically gone from age.
Thanks
Geoff Johnson-
66 Corsa Just about got the new carpet installed!!!
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:09:23 -0800
To: Bryan Blackwell
From: "Louis C. Armer, Jr."
Cc: virtualvairs@skiblack.com
Subject: Re:new list headers
Hey Bryan, Is there any way that you can format the new server so all
the "help etc." is at the bottom of the individual posts instead of at the
beginning? It would be more reader friendly and require less scrolling to
reach the body of each message.
Chuck Armer
Corvair Atlanta, BOD
CORSA MEMBER
CORSA Tri-Membership Chairman
http://carmerjr.home.mindspring.com/
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Message: 9
To: vairologist@juno.com, virtualvairs@corvair.org
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 22:15:17 -0600
Subject: Re: Re: VirtualVairs digest, Vol 1 #3 - 10 msgs
From: wfcc@juno.com
On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 22:48:08 -0500 vairologist@juno.com writes:
> Scroll down to the bottom
>
>
> As a matter of fact I was bothered by this. Not abreviated
> names
> but by the low IQ ignorant sons of bitches that cant take enough of
> their
> valuable time to clip a post down to its core thought. It's
> thoughtless
> crap like that ,that makes one person's disgruntled reply sound like
> a
> flame war after it has been repeated a dozen times. BTW Gary.
>
> This is the sanatized version. Smitty
Come on now , Smith, --Tell us how you really feel .
You need to go on FastVairs-sometimes they snip the messages down so much
you don't have the slightest idea what they are talking about......
Ed
West Florida Corvair Club
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:20:51 -0800
To: vairologist@juno.com
From: "Louis C. Armer, Jr."
Cc: virtualvairs@skiblack.com
Subject: Re:"Ole Salty Dog"
At 10:48 PM 1/31/04 -0500, you wrote:
> As a matter of fact I was bothered by this. Not abreviated names
>but by the low IQ ignorant sons of bitches that cant take enough of their
>valuable time to clip a post down to its core thought. It's thoughtless
>crap like that ,that makes one person's disgruntled reply sound like a
>flame war after it has been repeated a dozen times. BTW Gary.
>This is the sanatized version. Smitty
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Okay EVERYONE, Lay off Smitty since it's obvious he is having an
attack of Snow Blindness and Post Traumatic Syndrome from his
recent pilgrimage to the Forged Pigeon Foundation in the back
mountains of Tennessee. He is probably suffering a bit of dizziness
and / or vertigo from the 360's he pulled on the way home !!!
da Chuckster
Chuck Armer
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Corvair Atlanta, BOD
CORSA MEMBER
CORSA Tri-Membership Chairman
http://carmerjr.home.mindspring.com/
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 20:55:47 -0800
From: Shaun
Subject: Re: Warning: Canadian Humour
To: virtualvairs@corvair.org
That's what bugs me, those f*%&$() A*$*($%**s that trim their messages and
give a pert response so who the hell knows what they're talking about!
Don't trim your messages or I'll go ballistic!
I mean it, don't try me!
NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
Hugs and kisses, Smitty!
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Message: 12
To: virtualvairs@corvair.org
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 00:28:37 -0500
From: vairologist@juno.com
Subject: Re: Snip Rant
Smitty says: I apologize to the list for my post which I misdirected to
the list rather than it being a private post as intended. Not for the
thought behind the post but for using the foul language.
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Message: 13
From: "Jim Burkhard"
To: "'Tom Wright'" ,
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 02:10:03 -0500
Subject: RE: Heads 2.1
Does this include cylinder head studs? I SURE as heck wouldn't be using
threaded rod for that. Come to think of it, I wouldn't use threaded rod
(generally pretty weak stuff) for ANY of it. Is there a reason why you
don't want to use the proper parts? If you are investing a lot of time (and
probably cash) doing head work, why cut such important corners?
Jusr curious...
Jim Burkhard
> -----Original Message-----
> From: virtualvairs-admin@corvair.org
> [mailto:virtualvairs-admin@corvair.org] On Behalf Of Tom Wright
> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 6:24 PM
> To: virtualvairs@corvair.org
> Subject: Heads 2.1
>
>
> I should have been more descriptive when asking about studs
> for the 140 heads I am working on. These are the studs for
> the exhaust manifolds, the carb studs, any other studs
> protruding from the head itself.
>
> Thanks for all the responses!
>
> Tom Wright
> St.Catharines
> www.vaxxine.com/tomspage
> 66 Corsa 140
> Corsa Ontario
> CORSA
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Message: 14
From: N2VZD@aol.com
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 04:39:49 EST
To: virtualvairs@corvair.org
Subject: Re: NOTE ON BRAKE TUBING
i like to replace all tubing on any old car because you can not see the real
problem! it can have cone shaped pinholes from the inside almost thru to the
outside if it has set a long time! moisture in the convetional brake fluid
sits there acting just like a mini drill, rearing its ugly face only upon real
need for pressure. so if its old and has regular fluid in it replace it. i have
blown so many brake lines here in central ny salt belt while inspecting
cars(not that old) that i want dual master cylinder on all my cars and silicone
fluid asap. lots of times you can not see any problem with outside of the lines
..so please be safe and do it. regards safely, i hope, tim colson
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 08:49:16 -0600
From: Mike Kost
To: virtualvairs@corvair.org
Subject: Re: Heads 2.1
Tom Wright wrote:
> I should have been more descriptive when asking about studs for the 140 heads
> I am working on. These are the studs for the exhaust manifolds, the carb
> studs, any other studs protruding from the head itself.
>
> Thanks for all the responses!
>
> Tom Wright
I found last summer that about the only place to get carb studs is from our vendors. They are fine thread on
one end and course on the other. The auto parts stores have studs like this but not any where near the proper
length. I have not replaced exhaust studs but I would expect them to be similar but of a length which would
be available.
Mike Kost
Show-Me Corvair Club
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Message: 16
From: simonico@webtv.net (Nikki and Simon)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:35:51 -0800 (PST)
To: virtualvairs@corvair.org
Subject: Greenbrier..?
Corvair friends...I have recently put a '66 140 in my '61 8 door
Greenbrier. I've got the engine running though the lifters are clattery.
My question is: What is the best way to adjust the valves on this
engine?
If anyone can help me with this I would greatly appriciate it.
Thank you,
Simon
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Message: 17
From: "Marc Sheridan"
To: "virtualvairs"
Subject: Re: Greenbrier..? valve adjustment
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 11:12:19 -0500
Uh..oh, here we go again :o). Adjust them cold, just like it says in the
shop manual. A better way to explain it is to re post Ken Hands excellent
post on how Corvair valves should be adjusted.
Good luck,
Marc Sheridan
>From Ken Hand:
I will try to answer what you are saying/asking with my opinion. First a few
parameters, when I replace lifters I use SBC lifters with the disc valve,
when I adjust valves, even corvair original, I use 3/4 turn, and I adjust
one cyl. at a time at TDC.
My turn to ask a question; Why do you adjust valves hot and running? I think
the answer may lie in the OLD DAYS when you had to adjust mechanical valves
running and with a feeler gauge, I still have some of the tools. Also to let
everyone know I vary quite a bit from the shop manual when it come to
certain things -- see above 3/4 turn, and SBC lifters -- so to me the shop
manual is a guide not the Bible. Now for some specific reasons, hydraulic
lifters, wonderful things that let you take all the clearance out for quiet
movement and not have to be perfect or exactly on the money for best overall
performance. You can adjust SBC lifters on the corvair from as little as
1/16th of a turn or all the way to 1 1/2 turns and the lifter will still
perform the same way it was designed. You ask "why adjust cold"? Most of it
has been said before but I will reiterate some and add some new, maybe. The
list, ease of working conditions, cleanliness, open the engine up once, or
on a rebuild never, you don't have to destroy a part to make a shield you
won't burn yourself! (GRIN) The cold adjustment can be more precise and the
BIGGIE, it takes less time.
I have found over the years that people are to impatient for the running
method and won't or don't wait for things to settle properly. Here is an
example someone puts lifters in an engine, they preadjust, run the engine
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