In a message dated 3/20/2004 3:00:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, bigjohnohio@worldnet.att.net writes: but I do > know that steel has taken a tremendous jump in prices. Todd, my man, you ain't seen NOTHIN' yet! John Kepler ************************************************************************* So true......Scrap.....short steel is barely $30 a ton... was over $100 15 yrs ago!