<VV> Comment> "pay someone ... " The value of VV is under-appreciated !

Mon Aug 9 13:44:01 EDT 2010

Sure, "you get what you pay for" but this site is "peer reviewed" and almost 
scientific in its approach.

If someone proffers advice that is no point, someone quickly chimes in to 
correct the error or omission.

And why should they learn when they can charge you for their errors with 
impunity ?

You have to know nearly as much, if not more about what they're doing to 
even discuss it with them and defend against their defensive rhetoric.

As someone here just said about about shops getting "frosty" when you even 
infer that you might question their methods, that means they can't, don't 
and probably refuse to learn from mistakes.

An advertiser once said that "A smart customer is our best customer" and I 
have to wonder how many people believed that ?

Dumb customers just pay up and leave not knowing if they got what they paid 
for.  They may gripe, but they can't make a good argument, while smart 
customers know when they've been duped.

I'm not a lawyer but I play one in court and HAVE been able to make them 
sorry they messed with me, but interestingly, they pay VARY fast, because 
they know their license is a stake, and it's just small "overhead" to pay 
for the one guy who takes the time to sue them.
How often does anyone take the time and effort to sue them, so they're 
usually safe.  The odds are in their favor.

VV is the best value out there and I can vouch for that just in the last few 
weeks and many times before) !!

If you guys on VV had worked on my cars, did what they were supposed to do, 
and charged twice what they charged, it would have been great value received 
!

Charlie

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "BBRT" <chsadek at comcast.net>
To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 7:22 AM
Subject: <VV> Comment> "pay someone who has the skills ... " sorry about 
therant...

> Charlie,
>
> Remember, on VV, you get what you pay for! We try, have no profit motive,
> but occasionally, some of us despite best intentions, mess up!    :>)))
> Having made my disclaimer, I have learned more than I could anticipate in
> how to do something and why it works like it does. Sometimes I think we do
> not appreciate how great a resource our site(s) are.
>
> Chuck S
> BBRT
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Charles Lee" <Chaz at ProperProper.com>
> To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 2:06 AM
> Subject: Re: <VV> "pay someone who has the skills ... " sorry about the
> rant...
>
>
>> Sorry about that - just dredged up memories of just why I want to get 
>> back
>> to being a little more independent
>>
>> This site is a great help, and I'm getting back into the swing, and
>> putting
>> another Corvair on the road is worth the effort !
>>
>> Thanks for listening and all the help !
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Charles Lee" <Chaz at ProperProper.com>
>> To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 10:28 PM
>> Subject: <VV> "pay someone who has the skills ... "
>>
>>
>>> While I do not look for the highest price, I look for someone who knows
>>> what they are doing, or are recommended by someone responsible.
>>>
>>> Most of the early problems were with my father who was "happy" with his
>>> mechanic (as I found out later) even if he screwed the car up, because 
>>> he
>>> felt honored that they would deign to work on his car (my father was
>>> Chief
>>> Inspector at Grumman Aerospace in Bethpage, NY.  Apparently he had a
>>> disdain for anything that was stuck to the ground, but how was I to know
>>> ?
>>>
>>> The last ones were recommended by NAPA from a phone call, admittedly not
>>> the best, but Ford (40 miles from home) was trying to sell me a timing
>>> belt ($700) just to diagnose the car !  The guy who did the timing belt
>>> and head gasket, initially correctly diagnosed that problem as the cam
>>> sensor.
>>>
>>> Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but throwing money at a problem only
>>> solves his problems, and not necessarily your own.
>>>
>>> I usually did all my own work, but when I started teaching, I didn't 
>>> have
>>> time, and needed my car, so I paid him to do what he does, while I got
>>> paid to do what I do.
>>>
>>> OBD caught me off guard because I didn't know it (know more now and my 
>>> 96
>>> Probe is now an 'academic exercise'), and could not really assess if
>>> these
>>> knew what they said, and they could tell I didn't know, so they did what
>>> any Darwinian animal would do, and took advantage of the situation.
>>>
>>> So far, two of three law suits have been won, and the third is in the 
>>> bag
>>> although getting the money will be another learning experience, but the
>>> subpoenas are being served on banks, DMV, town licensing, SS and IRS as
>>> we
>>> speak.
>>>
>>> They are now shop managers now (for obvious reasons) and cannot hide
>>> their
>>> income, so we'll see what happens now.
>>>
>>> Did I mention my girlfriend who had a her voltage regulator replaced, 
>>> and
>>> when that didn't fix the problem, Gosch Nissan replaced about $1400 
>>> worth
>>> of parts and wiring before I discovered that they replaced the regulator
>>> with the wrong one, which fixed the problem ?
>>>
>>> Or my other friend's Mercedes mechanic who wanted to overhaul my Corvair
>>> camshafts(s !) to fix an intermittent stalling problem that turned out 
>>> to
>>> be a loose distributor wire ?
>>>
>>> There are more ...
>>>
>>> Is it because I'm looking for the cheapest price ?  It doesn't seem to
>>> matter ...
>>>
>>> Yeah, I'm a little testy, especially now that I found a wealth of 
>>> experts
>>> whom I'd be glad to pay for the wealth of knowledge on this site !
>>>
>>> OK, I'm finished now ...
>>> Charlie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Charles Lee <Chaz at ProperProper.com>
>>> To: Chris & Bill Strickland <lechevrier at earthlink.net>
>>> Cc: virtualvairs at corvair.org
>>>
>>> Sounds like you are shopping for the cheapest price. Most shops that 
>>> have
>>> qualified people take pride in their work and guarantee it. Also they
>>> hand
>>> torque their wheels. I know because I've been the business for 40 years.
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