<VV> Cylinder head temp gauge option
Michael Weary
michael_j_weary at hotmail.com
Mon Aug 30 14:50:45 EDT 2010
What about one nice gauge with a rocker switch to go front one cylinder to another, and work on oil temp, and oil pressure as well
Sent from my iPhone... this thing is awesome
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> 1. Re: Head Temp Gauge using spark plug (Charles Lee)
> 2. Re: Startup::::::::::::::::::::: (Ron)
> 3. Re: 1967 Monza update : Car needs to run, stop, and steer
> first + KROIL ? (Dennis Pleau)
> 4. collector car software (Robert Hawes)
> 5. Re: Carter YH choke "blink" (BobHelt at aol.com)
> 6. Re: Head Temp Gauge(s) for Corvair @ 500+ degrees ? (Matt Nall)
> 7. Very Nice Dune Buggy FS from front cover of April 2005
> Communique (Brent Fullard)
> 8. Re: valve adjustment (Mark Durham)
> 9. Re: Head Temp Gauge using spark plug (Mark Durham)
> 10. Re: Carter YH choke "blink" (Doug Mackintosh)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 16:15:41 -0700
> From: "Charles Lee" <Chaz at ProperProper.com>
> Subject: Re: <VV> Head Temp Gauge using spark plug
> To: "virtualvairs" <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
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> Now, that's clever !
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <dpross1342 at aol.com>
> To: <chaz at properproper.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 4:12 PM
> Subject: Head Temp Gauge
>
>
> I saw your note in VirtualVairs. I use two head temp gauges (VDO), one for
> each side. Simple installation, once you get the wiring to the
> dash. Just a ring under a spark plug....use the same plug location for each
> side.
>
> Don Rossbach
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 16:38:16 -0700
> From: "Ron" <ronh at owt.com>
> Subject: Re: <VV> Startup:::::::::::::::::::::
> To: "Danforth West" <bonanz01 at myfairpoint.net>,
> <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
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> Isn't that the way the owners manual tells you to use? If so, how could you
> "discover" it?
> RonH
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Danforth West" <bonanz01 at myfairpoint.net>
> To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
> Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 3:09 PM
> Subject: <VV> Startup:::::::::::::::::::::
>
>
>> I've discovered I can use the same startup procedure
>> on my 66 Turbo that I use on my '41 Packard 120.
>>
>> This is, I put the accelerator pedal to the floor briefly
>> and then release it. Then I simply turn the key without
>> touching the "GO" pedal at all, and the car starts right
>> up like a Champ! (.....NOT "Chimp"!!!!). Of course, the
>> Packard has a starter button, but you know what I mean......
>>
>> I know I'm probably just setting the choke and giving a
>> squirt to the carb with this method.........
>>
>> My only question is, am I doing it wrong or causing any
>> problems by doing it this way?
>>
>> Car seems to LUV being started in this fashion.........
>>
>> And I certainly LUV starting up my new car!
>>
>> It was HOT today in Bangor -- over 90F -- but it didn't stay
>> on high idle for more than 30 seconds.....
>>
>> Right down to 800 or fewer RPMs very quickly.
>>
>> Looking forward to CLARK'S in just a little while!
>>
>> Dan West
>> Bangor, Maine USA
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 16:58:21 -0700
> From: "Dennis Pleau" <dpleau at wavecable.com>
> Subject: Re: <VV> 1967 Monza update : Car needs to run, stop, and
> steer first + KROIL ?
> To: "'virtualvairs'" <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
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> WD 40 is a rust preventer. KROIL is a penetrating oil. Apples and
> kumquats.
>
> dp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org
> [mailto:virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org] On Behalf Of Charles Lee
> Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 4:14 PM
> To: virtualvairs
> Subject: Re: <VV> 1967 Monza update : Car needs to run, stop, and steer
> first + KROIL ?
>
> <snip>
>
> Has anyone had experience with KROIL, a WD-40 substitute that is as much
> better as it is more expensive ?
>
> Charlie
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 20:43:19 -0400
> From: Robert Hawes <robert.hawes at mac.com>
> Subject: <VV> collector car software
> To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
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> Saw a notice on a Social Networking site for this product:
>
> http://www.collectorcarcompanion.com/index.php
>
> Purports to help organize your old car project. I have not tried it
> nor do I endorse it, but seems to fit the needs expressed here about
> inventory and project planning for our favorite car!
>
> Bob Hawes
> 65 Monza 140 PG
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 20:43:18 EDT
> From: BobHelt at aol.com
> Subject: Re: <VV> Carter YH choke "blink"
> To: dougmackintosh at yahoo.com
> Cc: virtualvairs at corvair.org
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> Doug,
> Something doesn't sound right. Once the engine is warm, the coil is out of
> play and the vacuum holds the pull-off and the choke open. Now if an
> acceleration is called for, yes the vacuum lowers and the pull-off is not held
> as before, but the choke remains open since the plate is off center and the
> airflow (and increased airflow) keeps the plate fully open. so I don't see
> how a blink, or much of one, can occur.
>
> However during warm up, the choke plate is held open by the pull-off until
> the coil further opens the plate. if however, the engine is accelerated at
> this time the pull-off will allow the choke to slightly close because of
> the lower vacuum. At the same time the choke plate will counteract this by
> tipping slightly open because of the increased airflow, thus likely
> preventing a blink. Maybe this can cause a cough????
>
> Regards,
> Bob Helt
>
> In a message dated 8/29/2010 2:15:08 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
> dougmackintosh at yahoo.com writes:
>
> As to why I think the blink happens when the choke is fully open, in a VV
> response to a query about a cough on acceleration, Craig Nicol said
> "Acceleration enrichment in the YH happens through the usual accelerator pump
> squirt, but that is the secondary system. The primary system is the choke
> plate, which for lack of a better term, "Blinks" for a moment when the engine
> vacuum drops at the sudden opening of the throttle. After that, the pump
> shot occurs, which continues the enrichment." I don't think there was any
> suggestion that either the problem or the cause were restricted to cold engine
> conditions.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 20:48:12 -0400
> From: Matt Nall <patiomatt at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: <VV> Head Temp Gauge(s) for Corvair @ 500+ degrees ?
> To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
> Message-ID: <8CD15F428573557-26AC-19E79 at Webmail-d103.sysops.aol.com>
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>
>
> Padgett (down in Florida) installed a CHT twin gauge that showed both
> cylinders. Don't remember which gauge now, but it was a nice setup.
>
> Bob Hall
>
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> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/in/chtgauges_falcon.html
>
>
> This is the one I've recommended for years.... and best price!
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt Nall
> Charleston, Oregon
> http://mysite.ncnetwork.net/reswr0kp/
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 20:59:58 -0400
> From: Brent Fullard <brent.fullard at rogers.com>
> Subject: <VV> Very Nice Dune Buggy FS from front cover of April 2005
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 18:58:53 -0700
> From: Mark Durham <62vair at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: <VV> valve adjustment
> To: shortle <shortle556 at earthlink.net>
> Cc: Chris & Bill Strickland <lechevrier at earthlink.net>,
> virtualvairs at corvair.org
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> Hi all, Actually, both are correct. However, I remember my Corvair mechanic
> telling me years ago, back in the late 60's when he was replacing a wheel
> bearing for me, that it was originally just a cold lash adjustment, however,
> Chevrolet had problems with that and went to the more accurate hot
> adjustment because people had a hard time telling where zero lash was cold
> and without the engine running. It may have contributed to burnt valves. My
> 62 I got in 1967 with 44K miles on it had burnt valves. I did a valve job
> and it ran great to over 100K miles.
>
> However, Its pretty easy to back the lifter off and listen for the clatter
> that follows, then turn in until it stops, then adjust in 1/4 turn at a
> time.
>
> There is nothing wrong with a cold adjustment as long as you follow the
> rules.
> The older lifters gave you a wider range, so if you were 1/2 or 1/4 turn
> off, it really did not matter much.
>
> However, the mechanic said the best way was to do the hot adjustment and he
> had valve covers cut just for the job, (which I later borrowed from
> him)which stopped most of the oil leakage.
>
> Mark Durham
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 10:11 AM, shortle <shortle556 at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> I thought I was doing it correctly by following the 1961 factory manual.
>> Rather it works well for me. I usually only turn in 1/2 turn though after no
>> lash.
>> Timothy Shortle in (quiet lifter) Durango Colorado
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Chris & Bill Strickland <lechevrier at earthlink.net>
>>> Sent: Aug 29, 2010 12:46 PM
>>> To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
>>> Subject: Re: <VV> valve adjustment
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> But, if I'm not mistaken cold adjust is the place to start only if
>> you're so far off that it's necessary to find the 'start point' ?
>>>>>>
>>>
>>> I'd agree -- on a new rebuild, you have to get the valves adjusted close
>>> enough to get the cold engine to start, so that you can then adjust the
>>> valves hot.
>>>
>>> Not that it pertains to Corvairs, but I prefer to adjust solid lifter
>>> engines hot & running, too. Hard on feeler gauges, but works rather
>>> well. That's what pressure washers are for -- cleaning up the mess.
>>>
>>> A dynamic adjustment will always be superior to a static adjustment --
>>> the doing of it is open to debate.
>>>
>>> Bill Strickland
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 19:06:18 -0700
> From: Mark Durham <62vair at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: <VV> Head Temp Gauge using spark plug
> To: Charles Lee <Chaz at properproper.com>
> Cc: virtualvairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
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> This style is used frequently for older, meaning 1930's and 40's and 50's
> aircraft. They are not as accurate as the screw in type and will not read
> the same, either.
>
> It should run hotter there at the spark plug, considering at the spark plug
> tip is where the flame starts and flows across the chamber.
>
> Mark Durham
>
> On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Charles Lee <Chaz at properproper.com> wrote:
>
>> Now, that's clever !
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <dpross1342 at aol.com>
>> To: <chaz at properproper.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 4:12 PM
>> Subject: Head Temp Gauge
>>
>>
>> I saw your note in VirtualVairs. I use two head temp gauges (VDO), one for
>> each side. Simple installation, once you get the wiring to the
>> dash. Just a ring under a spark plug....use the same plug location for each
>> side.
>>
>> Don Rossbach
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 02:06:59 +0000 (GMT)
> From: Doug Mackintosh <dougmackintosh at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: <VV> Carter YH choke "blink"
> To: BobHelt at aol.com
> Cc: virtualvairs at corvair.org
> Message-ID: <302447.85420.qm at web26407.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
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> Here is what I observed on my?daughter's Spyder (air cleaner?element removed, no
> load):
>
> Before warm up: When throttle is opened quickly, the choke plate closes
> slightly, then returns to former position.
> After warm up: Choke is wide open; when thrtottle is opened?quickly, the?choke
> plate stays wide open.
> ?-- Doug Mackintosh
> Corsa member since 1996
> Corsa/NC member since 1996, Virtual Vairs member
> Corvair owner 1969-1971 and 1996-on
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "BobHelt at aol.com" <BobHelt at aol.com>
> To: dougmackintosh at yahoo.com
> Cc: virtualvairs at corvair.org
> Sent: Sun, 29 August, 2010 20:43:18
> Subject: Re: <VV> Carter YH choke "blink"
>
>
>
> Doug,
> Something doesn't sound right. Once the engine is warm, the coil is out of play
> and the vacuum holds the pull-off and the choke open. Now if an acceleration is
> called for, yes the vacuum lowers and the pull-off is not held as before, but
> the choke remains open since the plate is off center and the airflow (and
> increased airflow)?keeps the plate fully open. so I don't see how a blink, or
> much of one, can occur.?
>
> However during warm up, the choke plate is held open by the pull-off until the
> coil further opens the plate. if however, the engine is accelerated at this time
> the pull-off will allow the choke to slightly close?because of the lower vacuum.
> At the same time the choke plate will counteract this by tipping slightly open
> because of the increased airflow, thus likely preventing a blink. Maybe this can
> cause a cough????
>
> Regards,
> Bob Helt?
>
> In a message dated 8/29/2010 2:15:08 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
> dougmackintosh at yahoo.com writes:
> As to why I think the blink happens when the choke is fully open, in a VV
> response to a query about a cough on acceleration, Craig Nicol said
> "Acceleration enrichment in the YH happens through the usual accelerator pump
> squirt, but that is the secondary system.? The primary system is the choke
> plate, which for lack of a better term, "Blinks" for a moment when the engine
> vacuum drops at the sudden opening of the throttle. After that, the pump shot
> occurs, which continues the enrichment." I don't think there was any suggestion
> that either the problem or the cause were restricted to cold engine conditions.
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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