<VV> Modern Corvair vs. mundane FWDs

[Ron]

The '67 Toronado was the finest "high end" vehicle I ever owned.  It was a 
truly great motorcar and was really just too much vehicle for daily 
transportation use.
RonH

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charles Lee" <Chaz at ProperProPer.com>
To: <airvair at earthlink.net>; <virtualvairs at corvair.org>; 
<jvhroberts at aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: <VV> Modern Corvair vs. mundane FWDs


> Do RWD cars tend to be premium products because they are "retro" to retain
> the 100 year old technology that was intrinsic to Mustangs, Challengers 
> and
> Camaros.
>
> What really "high end" cars have FWD ?
>
> That's what made the Corvair such a sleeper both for its performance and 
> its
> engineering.
>
> In a Corvair (or Porsche, etc), the front wheels do only what they need to
> do - keep the car going where you want it to go, nothing more !
>
> Cz
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <jvhroberts at aol.com>
> To: <airvair at earthlink.net>; <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 8:03 AM
> Subject: Re: <VV> Modern Corvair vs. mundane FWDs
>
>
>>
>> Fast forwarding to 2010, torque steer is all but gone in today's cars. 
>> And
>> compared to a modern RWD car, well, it seems to be a toss up. For one
>> thing, FWD cars seem to run at the less expensive end of the spectrum,
>> while RWD cars tend to be premium products.
>> Looking at a 911, the only serious rear engine car today, it's no less
>> complicated than a FWD car of the same ilk, not that there really is such
>> a thing, mind you!
>> And all RWD cars today with IRS, which is pretty much all RWD cars, have
>> CV joints as well. Heck, our Subarus have CV joints in the driveshaft as
>> well as the half shafts!
>> As far as FWD cars contemporary to the era, Austins, Fiats, Renaults,
>> etc., they were no more complex than a Corvair.
>>
>>
>>
>> John Roberts
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: airvair at earthlink.net <airvair at earthlink.net>
>> To: jvhroberts at aol.com <jvhroberts at aol.com>; virtualvairs at corvair.org
>> Sent: Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:46 am
>> Subject: Re: <VV> Modern Corvair vs. mundane FWDs
>>
>>
>> Back in the days of the Corvair, the front drive Toro and Eldo had 
>> totally
>> flat floors. But ever since the Citation came out in '79, the standard 
>> has
>> been to still have a "conventional car" hump in the middle. What's with
>> that? If the Toro and Eldo could have a totally flat floor, why can't
>> other
>> front drivers?
>>
>> And as far as packaging and complexity, with front drivers you have to
>> have
>> CV joints and/or contend with torque steer, not to mention the steering
>> altogether. That's something a conventional drive car doesn't have to
>> contend with. No, front drive is NOT simple. Certainly not as simple as
>> conventional drive. Just more "compact".
>>
>> The Corvair showed that Ed Cole was right. Rear engine/rear drive is
>> simpler than front engine/front drive.
>>
>> -Mark
>>
>>
>>> [Original Message]
>>> From: <jvhroberts at aol.com>
>>> Subject: Re: <VV> Modern Corvair vs. mundane FWDs
>>>
>>>  FWD has the same advantage as a Corvair, packaging wise. No massive
>> transmission/driveshaft tunnel! Not exactly as flat a floor, but still,
>> FWD
>> packages a lot better than front engine/RWD. But rear engine/RWD packages
>> even more compactly. Sort of... <G>
>>>
>>> John Roberts
>>>
>>
>>
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