<VV> 1967 Corvair Monza fuel pump - if we knew then what we know now ...

Sat Jul 24 22:29:07 EDT 2010

We ALL know know more NOW than GM did back then - such as market the Corvair 
as the car it was (and still is) and not as a "cheap economy car" ?

We may be on budgets, but we will spend $5 or $50 to improve our Corvairs, 
but GM would have to multiply that by 100,000 cars.

So, we spring for Viton O-rings and electric fuel pumps (that they didn't 
even have then, at least affordable ones), but GM wouldn't spend $4 on a 
transverse leaf spring for the 1,047,195 EMs from 1960 to 1963 !

I'm thinking even GM knows more than GM did in 1964 - just look at the 1965 
Corvair !!!!

In my opinion, of course !
Charlie

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "shortle" <shortle556 at earthlink.net>
To: "Ron" <ronh at owt.com>; "Frank Ness" <aircoolvair at yahoo.com>; 
<virtualvairs at corvair.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: <VV> 1967 Corvair Monza fuel pump

> Trying to improve 40-50 year old technology hardly makes one think they 
> know more than GM. My cars also have electronic ignitions as well as all 
> have been converted to internally regulted alternators. I also have OTTO 
> pans and valve covers on 2 of my cars. And my FC PG has the Clarks trans 
> pan. I also use Viton seals wherever I can. I don't think I know a lot 
> more than General Motors. No problems here.
> Timothy Shortle in Durango Colorado
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Ron <ronh at owt.com>
>>Sent: Jul 24, 2010 9:33 PM
>>To: Frank Ness <aircoolvair at yahoo.com>, virtualvairs at corvair.org
>>Subject: Re: <VV> 1967 Corvair Monza fuel pump
>>
>>There are always those who think they know a lot more than General Motors.
>>
>>RonH
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Frank Ness" <aircoolvair at yahoo.com>
>>To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>>Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 6:09 PM
>>Subject: Re: <VV> 1967 Corvair Monza fuel pump
>>
>>
>>> If being a Luddite is not fixing what isn't broke, then I be a Luddite.
>>> Trouble is a  "Luddite" is a term describing those opposed to
>>> industrialization etc. That include oh the Corvair. That being the case
>>> why would you need any kind of fuel pump. All my Corvairs have 
>>> mechanical
>>> fuel pumps. Luddites unite!!
>>>
>>> Frank
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Sat, 7/24/10, jimster1 <jimster1 at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: jimster1 <jimster1 at earthlink.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: <VV> 1967 Corvair Monza fuel pump
>>>> To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
>>>> Date: Saturday, July 24, 2010, 10:23 PM
>>>> Amen, all of this yack about leaking
>>>> fuel pumps kind of validates the
>>>> electric fuel pump. I'd say that a pump dribbling
>>>> fuel into the engine
>>>> compartment is inherently more dangerous than ANY perceived
>>>> problem stemming
>>>> from a crash, to say nothing about filling your crankcase
>>>> with gas and
>>>> diluting to oil to the point of engine failure. But
>>>> if the Luddites wish to
>>>> continue wax romantic about the virtues of mechanical
>>>> pumps, I guess there
>>>> is nothing the enlightened can do about it.
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org
>>>> [mailto:virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org]
>>>> On Behalf Of shortle
>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 11:45 AM
>>>> To: jvhroberts at aol.com;
>>>> tony.underwood at cox.net;
>>>> virtualvairs at corvair.org
>>>> Subject: Re: <VV> 1967 Corvair Monza fuel pump
>>>>
>>>> And electric fuel pumps will NOT fill your crankcase with
>>>> gasoline.
>>>> Timothy Shortle in Durango Colorado
>>>> Experienced in the early '80s with a very full crankcase of
>>>> oil + gas
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> >From: jvhroberts at aol.com
>>>> >Sent: Jul 24, 2010 12:02 PM
>>>> >To: tony.underwood at cox.net,
>>>> virtualvairs at corvair.org
>>>> >Subject: Re: <VV> 1967 Corvair Monza fuel pump
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Late fuel pumps are better than early fuel pumps!!
>>>> >
>>>> >John Roberts
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >-----Original Message-----
>>>> >From: Tony Underwood <tony.underwood at cox.net>
>>>> >To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
>>>> >Sent: Sat, Jul 24, 2010 10:18 am
>>>> >Subject: Re: <VV> 1967 Corvair Monza fuel pump
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >At 08:39 PM 7/23/2010, Charles Lee wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >>I know this is the right pump, since it was running
>>>> fine, before
>>>> >
>>>> >>sitting a while.
>>>> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >>Now, runs OK and it leaks a bit but the seals and
>>>> surfaces look fine
>>>> >
>>>> >>- not cracked, pinched or anything.
>>>> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >>It would seem that the seals could be replaced for
>>>> less than $70 to
>>>> >
>>>> >>buy everything else as a package
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >I bought a couple of fuel pump rebuild kits about 20
>>>> years ago at a
>>>> >
>>>> >show, paid 13 bucks each for them
>>>> iirc. Last time I ever saw a
>>>> >
>>>> >rebuild kit for a 'Vair pump.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >Since then I've overhauled several myself by making
>>>> gaskets and
>>>> >
>>>> >reworking the valve block, either replacing bad valves,
>>>> depending on
>>>> >
>>>> >the pump or replacing the whole block itself.
>>>> I rescued several
>>>> >
>>>> >valve blocks from bogus pumps I ran across... gaskets
>>>> and diaphragms
>>>> >
>>>> >were of course useless but the valve blocks were fine.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >I have another bogus pump behind me as I speak that's
>>>> likely gonna
>>>> >
>>>> >get overhauled with the correct stuff as
>>>> well. It's never been used
>>>> >
>>>> >and its gaskets are cracking just from sitting on the
>>>> shelf.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >tony..
>>>> >
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