<VV> No Vair air lines
Bill Talutis
talutis at earthlink.net
Mon Mar 1 08:42:22 EST 2010
Regarding Bill Strickland's Chem-Aire plastic air lines: Last year I needed
to install about 200 feet of air line in an aircraft hangar so I researched
options. PVC is cheap and readily available but it ages poorly and has a
tendency to shatter explosively when put under normal air compressor
pressures. Copper is expensive but readily available. Galvanized is
cheaper but labor intensive - and the galv tends to flake off and find it's
way into expensive air tools. Black iron is similar to galv in that it
rusts and the rust finds it's way into the tools. Chem-Aire seemed to be
the perfect solution. Until I priced the stuff and tried to find a local
supplier. By the time I would have had some shipped in, combined with the
price of the stuff (expensive) the cost rejected it as an option. I went
with sweated copper and it has done well. Maybe in a large industrial
facility where a quantity purchase would push down the cost it would work
out but for my application it was just uneconomical. But if you could find
it locally at a good price I'll bet it is great.
Bill Talutis
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> 1. Re: Good Ref re strength of bolts (John Kepler)
> 2. Plastic Airlines (Chris & Bill Strickland)
> 3. Re: Corvette -- OT (Chris & Bill Strickland)
> 4. Re: Muffler Heat Shields (James Davis)
> 5. Re: Trapping the elusive Zoid! (Rick Norris)
> 6. Re: Trapping the elusive Zoid! (Daniel Monasterio)
> 7. Re: Origin of "Bone-Stock"? (rbuckridge at comcast.net)
> 8. Re: Muffler Heat Shields (William Pierson)
> 9. Vert power top mechanism repair (Rick Norris)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 17:47:07 -0500
> From: "John Kepler" <jekepler at amplex.net>
> Subject: Re: <VV> Good Ref re strength of bolts
> To: "'J R Read_HML'" <hmlinc at sbcglobal.net>, <ScottyGrover at aol.com>,
> <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
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>
> Wasn't it the Wright brothers who started tinkering with bicycles and
> ended
> up with an airplane?
>
> Let's see....here's how the Wright's "tinkered". First, they tested with
> telemetered models, proved that the existing mathematics dealing with
> lift-drag coefficients were grossly incorrect (based on, as it turned out
> were basically, WAG's by Otto Lilienthal...one of the first major cases of
> "junk science" killing someone!), threw-out the existing numbers and
> started
> fresh, invented the telemetered wind-tunnel, tested different airfoil
> models
> with accurate instrumentation, re-wrote the lift tables and basically
> invented aeronautical engineering in the process...THEN "started
> tinkering"
> with an "airplane". Let's see: Scientific research and development,
> theoretical design, bench-scaled testing, data development and analysis,
> advanced modeling, systematic prototype testing, data analysis, re-design
> mathematically, more model-testing, full-up prototype design, proof of
> concept! Gee....sounds a LOT more like engineering than "tinkering" to
> me!
>
> Covair content - it had an air cooled engine.
>
> No...it didn't! Check: http://wright.nasa.gov/airplane/eng03.html
>
> John
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 14:57:53 -0800
> From: Chris & Bill Strickland <lechevrier at earthlink.net>
> Subject: <VV> Plastic Airlines
> To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
> Message-ID: <4B8AF4F1.9000805 at earthlink.net>
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> Knowing this has been discussed before, when I came across this stuff,
> apparently from the land of the Jolly Green Giant (it's green), and I
> thought I should share --
>
> "Chem-Aire? is a homogeneous, shatter-resistant thermoplastic piping
> system specifically designed for compressed air. Manufactured from a
> specially engineered formulation of acrylonitrile butadiene styrene
> (ABS), it offers outstanding strength, ductility, and impact resistance.
> Solvent cementing or TruConnect ?push-to-connect? fittings."
> http://www.nibco.com/assets/ChmairOvrw.pdf
>
> No experience with it yet, myself, but it has been available for maybe
> about a dozen years and there do not to seem to be a large number of
> complaints.
>
> It must be good stuff, as it is highly engineered, tested, and rated --
> http://www.nibco.com/assets/ChmairTech.pdf
>
> fwiw,
>
> Bill Strickland
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 15:03:34 -0800
> From: Chris & Bill Strickland <lechevrier at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: <VV> Corvette -- OT
> To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
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>
>>Now, if you could just put a C5 'Vette transaxle under a '53~55 'Vette
>>body.......
>>
>
> The frames for this conversion are available in the after market, the
> ones I've seen having complete C5 suspension -- go for it Scotty!
>
> Bill Strickland
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 17:05:05 -0600
> From: James Davis <jld at wk.net>
> Subject: Re: <VV> Muffler Heat Shields
> To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
> Message-ID: <4B8AF6A1.3080805 at wk.net>
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> American high school geometry text (the Texas version) usually define a
> trapezoid as a quadrilateral with exactly two sides parallel. A
> trapezium is usually defines as a totally irregular quadrilateral.
> Common usage often deviated from this practice, considering these terms
> as interchangeable.
> Jim Davis
> (12 years of teaching high school math)
>
> FrankCB wrote:
>> Bob and Bill,
>> I think you mean "trapezoid" which is the American equivalent of the
>> British "trapezium" and is a 4 sided figure with 2 sides parallel. If it
>> has 2 sides parallel and the other 2 sides ALSO parallel then it's a
>> "parallelogram".
>> Frank Burkhard
>>
>> In a message dated 02/28/10 16:50:04 Eastern Standard Time,
>> billpier39 at yahoo.com writes:
>> I just got some heat shields out of the attic in my garage. The
>> rectangular ones are lates, the trapezium are early.
>> Bill Pierson
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Vairtec Corporation <Vairtec at optonline.net
>>
>> To the best of my knowledge, there exist three variations of a
>> factory muffler heat shield for the Corvair: An early model variant,
>> a late model variant, and a left-side variant for the 140-hp engines.
>>
>> Of the first two, one of them is a rectangle while the other is a
>> trapezium. I can't remember which is the EM and which is the LM.
>>
>> Actually, there are lots of things I can't remember these days, but
>> for the moment I need this piece of information to correctly identify a
>> part.
>>
>> --Bob Marlow
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 19:12:50 -0500
> From: "Rick Norris" <ricknorris at suddenlink.net>
> Subject: Re: <VV> Trapping the elusive Zoid!
> To: "FrankCB" <frankcb at aol.com>, "William Pierson"
> <billpier39 at yahoo.com>, <virtualvairs at corvair.org>,
> <vairtec at optonline.net>
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> I'm thinkin hammered dulcimer....
>
>
>
>
>> Bob and Bill,
>> I think you mean "trapezoid" which is the American equivalent of the
>> British "trapezium" and is a 4 sided figure with 2 sides parallel. If it
>> has 2 sides parallel and the other 2 sides ALSO parallel then it's a
>> "parallelogram".
>> Frank Burkhard
>>
>> In a message dated 02/28/10 16:50:04 Eastern Standard Time,
>> billpier39 at yahoo.com writes:
>> I just got some heat shields out of the attic in my garage. The
>> rectangular ones are lates, the trapezium are early.
>> Bill Pierson
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Vairtec Corporation <Vairtec at optonline.net
>>
>> To the best of my knowledge, there exist three variations of a
>> factory muffler heat shield for the Corvair: An early model variant,
>> a late model variant, and a left-side variant for the 140-hp engines.
>>
>> Of the first two, one of them is a rectangle while the other is a
>> trapezium. I can't remember which is the EM and which is the LM.
>>
>> Actually, there are lots of things I can't remember these days, but
>> for the moment I need this piece of information to correctly identify a
>> part.
>>
>> --Bob Marlow
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 16:19:48 -0800
> From: Daniel Monasterio <dmonasterio at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: <VV> Trapping the elusive Zoid!
> To: Rick Norris <ricknorris at suddenlink.net>, Frank Burkhardt
> <frankcb at aol.com>, <billpier39 at yahoo.com>, VirtualVairs
> <virtualvairs at corvair.org>, <vairtec at optonline.net>
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>
> Not an English expert but think that "trapezium" is a different meaning
> than "trapezoid" (similar but not equal to trapezium).
>
> Daniel
>
>> From: ricknorris at suddenlink.net
>> To: frankcb at aol.com; billpier39 at yahoo.com; virtualvairs at corvair.org;
>> vairtec at optonline.net
>> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 19:12:50 -0500
>> Subject: Re: <VV> Trapping the elusive Zoid!
>>
>>
>> I'm thinkin hammered dulcimer....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Bob and Bill,
>> > I think you mean "trapezoid" which is the American equivalent of
>> > the
>> > British "trapezium" and is a 4 sided figure with 2 sides parallel. If
>> > it
>> > has 2 sides parallel and the other 2 sides ALSO parallel then it's a
>> > "parallelogram".
>> > Frank Burkhard
>> >
>> > In a message dated 02/28/10 16:50:04 Eastern Standard Time,
>> > billpier39 at yahoo.com writes:
>> > I just got some heat shields out of the attic in my garage. The
>> > rectangular ones are lates, the trapezium are early.
>> > Bill Pierson
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----
>> > From: Vairtec Corporation <Vairtec at optonline.net
>> >
>> > To the best of my knowledge, there exist three variations of a
>> > factory muffler heat shield for the Corvair: An early model variant,
>> > a late model variant, and a left-side variant for the 140-hp engines.
>> >
>> > Of the first two, one of them is a rectangle while the other is a
>> > trapezium. I can't remember which is the EM and which is the LM.
>> >
>> > Actually, there are lots of things I can't remember these days, but
>> > for the moment I need this piece of information to correctly identify a
>> > part.
>> >
>> > --Bob Marlow
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 00:31:04 +0000 (UTC)
> From: rbuckridge at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: <VV> Origin of "Bone-Stock"?
> To: airvair at earthlink.net
> Cc: Virtual Vairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
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>
> Mark,
>
>
>
> I don't really make a distinction either way because it's not really that
> important to me. I was just relaying what I, and the guys I hung with back
> then, considered a stock car to be.
>
> This is one of the reasons I don't get hung up on concours cars or car
> shows. I've watched too many cars get bashed and too many arguments over
> what is stock.
>
> I have a 1970 Corvette that I bought back in '84 and have been told the
> engine isn't correct because of the code stamping on the block. You look
> at the car and how I bought it and yes it is stock with those code
> letters, but all the books told you different. Well about 10 - 15 years
> later, they did find paperwork that said they changed the coding very late
> in the model year. My 70 Corvette is now recognised as having the correct
> engine. Big deal.
>
> My '68 Camaro was another one that had a ZZ paint code and I was told it
> should be a gold car, but it was a dark green car. Years later I saw a
> hand written note in a dealer brochure that said ZZ was dark green and the
> same color as the Corvette that year. Now over time, it is correct with a
> dark green ZZ paint code.
>
> Bottom line is to enjoy the car and enjoy it for yourself and what it
> means to you.
>
> Roy - Bayshore
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: airvair at earthlink.net
> To: rbuckridge at comcast.net, "Virtual Vairs" <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 5:00:46 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: <VV> Origin of "Bone-Stock"?
>
> Remember that dealers often install both "factory-approved" and
> aftermarket
> items on new cars. So are you really thinking "as delivered to the dealer
> from the factory?"
>
> -Mark
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: <rbuckridge at comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: <VV> Origin of "Bone-Stock"?
>>
>> To my way of thinking, "bone-stock" would mean "as delivered" from the
> dealer to you, the buyer.
>>
>> Roy - Bayshore
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 16:39:16 -0800 (PST)
> From: William Pierson <billpier39 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: <VV> Muffler Heat Shields
> To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
> Message-ID: <735146.74705.qm at web111012.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> To be honest, I had never heard the word and didn't take the time to ask
> my retired English teacher wife?the meaning. I think tho, that I have the
> years backwards. Someone else needs to clarify.
> Bill Pierson
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: James Davis <jld at wk.net>
> To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
> Sent: Sun, February 28, 2010 5:05:05 PM
> Subject: Re: <VV> Muffler Heat Shields
>
> American high school geometry text (the Texas version) usually define a
> trapezoid as a quadrilateral with exactly two sides parallel.? A
> trapezium is usually defines as a totally irregular quadrilateral.?
> Common usage often deviated from this practice, considering these terms
> as interchangeable.
> Jim Davis
> (12 years of teaching high school math)
>
> FrankCB wrote:
>> Bob and Bill,
>>? ? ? I think you mean "trapezoid" which is the American equivalent of the
>>British "trapezium" and is a 4 sided figure with 2 sides parallel.? If it
>>has 2 sides parallel and the other 2 sides ALSO parallel then it's a
>>"parallelogram".
>>? ? ? Frank Burkhard
>>
>> In a message dated 02/28/10 16:50:04 Eastern Standard Time,
>> billpier39 at yahoo.com writes:
>> I just got some heat shields out of the attic in my garage. The
>> rectangular ones are lates, the trapezium are early.
>> Bill Pierson
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Vairtec Corporation <Vairtec at optonline.net
>>
>> To the best of my knowledge, there exist three variations of a
>> factory muffler heat shield for the Corvair:? An early model variant,
>> a late model variant, and a left-side variant for the 140-hp engines.
>>
>> Of the first two, one of them is a rectangle while the other is a
>> trapezium.? I can't remember which is the EM and which is the LM.
>>
>> Actually, there are lots of things I can't remember these days, but
>> for the moment I need this piece of information to correctly identify a
>> part.
>>
>> --Bob Marlow
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 19:53:41 -0500
> From: "Rick Norris" <ricknorris at suddenlink.net>
> Subject: <VV> Vert power top mechanism repair
> To: <fastvair at yahoogroups.com>
> Cc: virtualvairs at corvair.org
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> This week end I dove in to a project on my 67 convertible. I rehabbed both
> power top quadrant gear mechanisms. This was new territory for me but, it
> went okay. The previous owner/owners had stripped several adjustment bolts
> in both units and one was cracked at an attachment point.
> Actually, what prompted me to do this job was the passenger side gear was
> not working. Back when I first bought my vert I removed the interior to
> see what condition the floors were in. To my surprise, very good. Then I
> found a small threaded nylon part in the drain under the passenger side
> gear. I had no idea what it was so, I took a pic and asked the forum if
> anybody could identify it. No one did. I now know what it was. It held the
> worm gear shaft in place for the quadrant gear. I guess it had backed out
> but I suspect the PO was messing with it because they are staked in after
> assembly and final adjustment.
>
> Tonight I finished the job using the best parts from five different units.
> Now it all works as it should. As usual I took photos so, I may do an
> article or at least I'll post them on my Webshots site.
>
> Rick Norris
> #36 Sunoco Corvair
> www.corvairalley.com
>
>
>
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