<VV> CORSA sour grapes and bod bashing

[Robby]

It always amazes me that anytime someone says anything but praise for the
Bod or CORSA that they are bashing them but however you want to twist it is
fine with me - I am not trying to win friends here so I am okay with that.
My first 5-6 years in CORSA I recruited some members although it was tough.
Many then were just like I am now - wondered what value CORSA provided for
them.  As I watched the BoD in the late 90s and a few year into the new
decade, I heard the same thing "the sky is falling - we have to do
something".  The problem was there was a lot of talk but very little
resolution.  I stayed a member only because I felt CORSA needed me more than
I needed CORSA.  They didn't need to be losing members so I kept sending my
dues every 26 months only to see a continual decline in membership and very
little action from the BoD.  Today I would not encourage anyone to join
CORSA because to be honest, I see very little benefit to the average Corvair
owner.  If he/she does not go to conventions or use VV, why should they stay
members ?(other than the reason I gave already)  .  If a owner can see no
personal benefit in being a member it is hard to convince them to fork out
$45 a year to join a club that they feel gives them less than $45 in
value.   You can bash me for feeling that way but I have become hardened to
CORSA in the past 10 years and when my membership expires this year I doubt
seriously that I will renew.   I beleive in jumping off a sinking ship
before it goes under.   I hate it - CORSA could be a positive thing but I am
afraid teh politics of the past and what seems to be the status quo attitude
of the majority of the BoD, it will never make it.

Robby

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Louis Armer <carmerjr at mindspring.com>wrote:

> Hi Robby, Since you are joining in on the CORSA bashing and you state you
> have been a member for 20 years, How many new members have you brought to
> CORSA in those 20 years and what were your recruiting tactics?
>
> Sincerely,
> Chuck Armer
>
> ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
>
>
> At 02:24 PM 3/10/2010, you wrote:
>
>   have been a CORSA member since the early 90's and I hear the same thing
> > every year - "we are working to increase membership and income" and yet
> > every year membership falls.  So obviously in 20 years, the BoD has yet
> to
> > figure out the problem.  I belong to many car clubs, CORSA costs the most
> > and provides the least.  The Communique is becoming something I can read
> in
> > one bathroom setting and then discard.  It has no real value IMHO and to
> be
> > honest when my membership expires this year I expect CORSA to lose one
> more
> > member.  I see no reason to pay $45 a year so I can attend a convention.
> >
> > Everyone is talking about taking surveys about this and that - try a
> couple
> > of surveys such as "How many NEW members has CORSA gained in the past 5
> > years?" or "How many members are under the age of 30?"  I think you will
> > find the problem with CORSA with both of those - an aging membership and
> a
> > failure to add new members.  It doesn't take a rocket scientist (although
> I
> > am an engineer) to figure out that with those two things are the death of
> > CORSA.  You can change the Communique to bi-monthly, increase advertising
> > rates, etc but wiithout addressing those two things all you will be doing
> is
> > putting CORSA on a respirator.
> >
> > Personally I have no confidence in the BoD having the insight to do
> > anything positive for CORSA - haven't in the 20 years I have been in
> CORSA
> > and to be real honest, if CORSA folds so be it - I can enjoy my Corvairs
> > without CORSA.
> >
> > Robby
> >
> >   On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 6:41 PM, The Reinharts <
> jtreinhart at omnitelcom.com
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> All, Gary asked the question, I will try and answer. What this survey
> >> means
> >> to me is: I will be able to stay in contact with you, the members of the
> >> Corvair family, no matter what happens in the future to the printed
> >> Communique. If you are looking for an ominous prediction, here it is, No
> >> matter what we do, in my honest opinion, the printed Communique will
> have
> >> to
> >> become a bi-monthly or quarterly issue within two years, to save CORSA
> >> money
> >> and keep the club solvent. I then want to use the website to fill in the
> >> gaps between the issues. That is why this survey is so important to me.
> In
> >> my opinion we could end up completely relying on the web within 10
> years.
> >> As
> >> I said yesterday I will explain it all and outline my plan for the
> future
> >> in
> >> a document and present it to the board and you in the following weeks.
> You
> >> can then register your opinion and help us decide what you want for the
> >> future of CORSA. In the meantime know that the BoD is working on every
> >> angle
> >> to increase membership and income.  Thanks for your comments and
> concerns.
> >> I
> >> will keep you posted.
> >>
> >> Jamie Reinhart
> >> CORSA Central Director
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Gary Moore" <tdrinkr at yahoo.com>
> >> To: "Executive SecretaryHarry Jensen" <corsa at corvair.org>
> >> Cc: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 04:30 PM
> >> Subject: Re: <VV> CORSA Members on the Internet
> >>
> >>
> >> > Maybe I should have brought this up earlier. Do we need an accurate
> >> count?
> >> > Besides "it would be nice to know", what reason do we need to know the
> >> > information? Is this information that is missing from the CORSA
> >> membership
> >> > database? Gary Moore
> >> > The Internet, a magnificent new technology combining the credibility
> of
> >> > anonymous hearsay with the excitement of typing. ­Jon Stewart
> >> >
> >> > --- On Tue, 3/9/10, Harry Jensen, Executive Secretary <
> >> corsa at corvair.org>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > From: Harry Jensen, Executive Secretary <corsa at corvair.org>
> >> > Subject: Re: <VV> CORSA Members on the Internet
> >> > To: "Gary Moore" <tdrinkr at yahoo.com>
> >> > Cc: virtualvairs at corvair.org, airvair at earthlink.net
> >> > Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 2:49 PM
> >> >
> >> > Hi--
> >> >
> >> > Well, what about the folks who are not members of chapters? How do
> they
> >> > get counted?
> >> >
> >> > --H
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 3/9/2010 11:02 AM, Gary Moore wrote:
> >> >> Agreed, there are flaws in any survey, but still the survey taken
> from
> >> >> club rosters by club officials would be much more accurate then
> relying
> >> >> on each person to answer a survey. Our club has 52 memberships,
> single
> >> >> and family, 4 do not list an email address and two have non-working
> >> email
> >> >> addresses. All are CORSA members. That puts the percentage at 88%. Is
> >> >> this typical? Maybe not, but it is probably pretty close. Gary Moore
> >> >
> >> > -- |--------------------------------------------------------------
> >> > | Harry Jensen mailto:corsa at corvair.org <corsa at corvair.org>
> >> > | CORSA Executive Secretary
> >> > |
> >> > | Corvair Society of America (CORSA)
> >> > | P.O. Box 607, Lemont, IL 60439, 630.257.6530 fax 630.257.5540
> >> > | http://www.corvair.org
> >> > |--------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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