<VV> Torque needed to turn 140 without plugs to test it out of car?

Fri May 30 09:55:51 EDT 2014

I'm want to test the 140 out of car before installing it, to make sure it'll
work first.

What kind of torque is needed to turn a 140 without plugs, just to turn it,
to see if it's "free-turning" enough to put it together, and into the car?

Charlie

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Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 9:56 AM
To: Charlie; 'J. R. Read'; 'Frank DuVal'
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Subject: Re: <VV> 110/140 PG/4-speed driveline swap - back story

I like plan C. I am currently also working on the plans to build a bigger
garage. This way you don't need to feel like you are down to the last day
timeline. 
Timothy Shortle in YOU CAN"T HAVE TOO BIG A GARAGE Durango Colorado 81301
Getting ready to drive Corvan Camper tomorrow morning to Chama NM for our
tri state meet

-----Original Message-----
>From: Charlie via VirtualVairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>Sent: May 28, 2014 10:55 PM
>To: "'J. R. Read'" <hmlinc at sbcglobal.net>, 'Frank DuVal' 
><corvairduval at cox.net>
>Cc: virtualvairs at corvair.org
>Subject: Re: <VV> 110/140 PG/4-speed driveline swap - back story
>
>The 110 coming out had a cracked piston that ruined the crank (started 
>out as a minor "miss" on what seemed like an otherwise good running engine.
>
>So, I bought a rebuilt 140 at the GWFBT and a Saginaw transaxle.
>
>I trust that the 140 will run, and had long range plans to test the 140 
>out of the car, then mate it to the 4-speed to make my mundane 110 PG 
>Monza into something a bit sportier eventually.
>
>Then came the HOA (Homeowners Association) and the Code Enforcement "cop"
>compressing my timeline down to 3 weeks, which ends tomorrow.
>
>Hence the switch to a quick 'n dirty hat trick which didn't work, since 
>I can't get the 140 in by morning, so off to a garage or storage where 
>I'll have to finish it be remote control, since it won't be in the 
>convenient driveway anymore.
>
>My fault though, thinking I had time but now I don't.
>
>I did get a lot of work done, so there's a LOT less to do now!
>
>Plus I learned a LOT with all the tutorials from all you great guys, 
>like I was in a classroom ~ with a hands-on "lab"!
>
>Plan "C" is to simply build a garage around the car, but that's a bit 
>more work.
>
>Back to work in the AM to see if I can impress the cp with my progress, 
>if not success (yet)?
>
>Wish me luck!
>Charlie
>
>
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J.
>R. Read via VirtualVairs
>Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 9:12 PM
>To: Frank DuVal; virtualvairs at corvair.org
>Subject: Re: <VV> Driveline swap
>
>Well, yes, of course - but then that same bell housing (after the 
>switch to the 140) goes back into the car which is why I said that if 
>he is lucky (meaning to imply - when he removes the bell housing), he 
>will not need a new pan gasket.
>
>On the other hand, why not just fix the 110?  This approach seems like 
>an awful lot of work just to let the police officer hear it run and see 
>it move.  Has the 140 been run recently?  Is it a known, good, running
engine?
>Or is there another disaster waiting just around the corner?
>
>Later, JR
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Frank DuVal via VirtualVairs" <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 10:46 PM
>Subject: Re: <VV> Driveline swap
>
>
>> Yes, I did mention this waaay back in the discussion. I also said 
>> since he
>
>> was just swapping to prove it moves, not to drive, and the 140 is 
>> coming back out, then he does not need new gaskets/crank seal. He can 
>> put new stuff in later.
>>
>> JR, the belhousing comes out with the engine, so it will need to be 
>> swapped.
>>
>> Frank DuVal
>>
>>
>> On 5/28/2014 7:24 PM, BBRT via VirtualVairs wrote:
>>> That's how I see it but he has to transfer bellhousing, flexplate to 
>>> 140.. etc.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. R. Read via VirtualVairs" 
>>> <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>>> To: "Smitty" <vairologist at cox.net>; <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 7:19 PM
>>> Subject: Re: <VV> Driveline swap
>>>
>>>
>>>> Ahhh - He's got everybody confused.  The way I understand it is a 
>>>> 110 is
>
>>>> going out and a 140 is going in.  The PG tranny is not going anywhere. 
>>>> So, neither is the bell housing.
>>>>
>>>> Do I have it wrong?
>>>>
>>>> Later, JR
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Smitty via VirtualVairs" 
>>>> <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>>>> To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 5:50 PM
>>>> Subject: <VV> Driveline swap
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Smitty Says;  Guys I know I am old and slow and maybe a little 
>>>>> stupid about what is going on.  Aren't you over simplifing this.  
>>>>> Don't you have to change the bell housing too to accomplish a PG 
>>>>> to stick driveline swap and visa versa.  I read back a ways in the 
>>>>> thread and found no mention of this.
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