<VV> 3-Speed Corsa and Spyder
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Sun Nov 16 06:20:40 EST 2014
The purpose of the blow off valve is to avoid compressor stall. On a draw through, the vacuum at the compressor inlet makes such a stall not much of a problem.
I've heard of people using PGs with turbos with good result. I think GM didn't offer it simply because of having a 2 speed auto on their finest sporting powerplant just didn't make sense.
Clearly the tranny would be fine, as would the engine.
From: Jay Maechtlen via VirtualVairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
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Subject: Re: <VV> 3-Speed Corsa and Spyder
Since stock Corvairs use a suck through system, I guess a blow off valve
would be bad - you'd be dumping a perfect air fuel mix.
If you used a blow-through carb, a blow-off valve might take care of the
Or- a throttling arrangement to restrict air to the turbo at shift, to
let the turbine wind back down.
Maybe set it up to limit boost as a function of RPM?
(not a trivial project, of course.)
On 11/15/2014 6:27 AM, djtcz--- via VirtualVairs wrote:
> Benzinger said this -
> "We wanted rather desperately to match up a turbocharger with an automatic
transmission. It has some pretty attractive aspects about it. But we just could
never make it go. The thing that you run into - and maybe some of you have even
experimented yourself with this combination - is that when you wind up the
engine in low gear, get the turbine wound up to full boost and then make the
upshift, it suddenly pulls the engine RPM down with the boost still up where it
belongs for a couple of thousand RPM higher. With the low engine speed and the
blower still wound up, it gets into combustion difficulties that makes wild
detonation look pale. There was just nothing we could do to get the engine thru
this rough spot. Once the malcombustion starts, you can't just shut it off
again. Perhaps the availability of a three speed automatic or maybe a four speed
would have done it by getting the gear steps tighter. But with Powerglide being
a two speed set up we could never find anyway arou
> I take that to mean the issue was maintaining bigboost airflow when the engine
rpm changed almost instantly , not the large rpm drop per se.
> powerglide ratio 1.8, softened a bit by the torque converter.
> Early 4 speed drop on the 1-2 shift 1.55, with direct rpm change, but with a
noticeable period of closed or reduce throttle between shifts.
> My recollection is the boost has to build back up between even my quickest
> Long ago A New England racer used a Turbo PG combo in a dune buggy (Meyers
Manx maybe) in some form of oval track or circuit racing pretty successfully.
> At one point he claimed he was using one of the factoery hot cams and did not
feel the need for "more,"
> I do not recall him mentioning special tuning or driving during the 1-2 shift
back in those non-digital days.
> Dan T
> From: RoboMan91324 at aol.com
> Subject: <VV> 3-Speed Corsa and Spyder as rare as MONO "Sgt Pepper"
> Beside the undesirability factor, I imagine that another reason for a 3
> speed being rare is that it would cause similar problems (but maybe not quite
> as severe) paired with a turbo as a 2 speed automatic would have caused.
> Specifically, too much RPM drop between gears. I understand that no
> factory turbo motors were paired with 2 speed automatics for this reason. I
> suppose the 3 speed would work OK with the 140 Corsa but were any 3 speed
> Spyders or turbo Corsas available from the factory? If so, any feedback as to
> performance? Was the 3 speed tranny/turbo combination one of the
> "standards" that GM disallowed at the factory whether you wanted it or not?
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