<VV> Detonation and overheating

[Hugo Miller]

I can confirm that observation. There was a ton of leaf matter on top 
of the fins, but not a trace underneath. I would have expected to see 
SOME trace of vegetable matter in the lower shrouds or clinging to the 
fins. We shall see whether my little 'fix' has done the trick, or 
whether I am going to have to take the top cover off, once I put my 
carburettor back together!

On 2020-03-03 10:20, Charles Sadek wrote:
> I have never seen leaves that get thru the head fins. Maybe some 
> debris
> around cylinders, but have never seen any debris in the deflectors. 
> Not
> saying that others could have found some or not... The fin spacing is 
> about
> 3/16", sometimes opened to  an 1/8". Stuff gets caught in there... 
> doesn't
> go thru it.. Cylinders are more spacing betwe4en fins but same issue
> regarding leaves.
>
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> From: VirtualVairs [mailto:virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org] On 
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> Hugo Miller via VirtualVairs
> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 11:12 PM
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> Subject: Re: <VV> Detonation and overheating
>
> I don't know if you saw my latest post, but I found a load of leaves 
> on
> top of the barrels. What threw me was I found no evidence of any 
> leaves
> when looking from underneath. I can guarantee that will be the 
> problem
> with the other car also. I know how quickly retarded ignition timing 
> can
> make a car boil even at idle, so I'm sure the effects on an air 
> cooled
> engine will be no less dramatic (except no steam, of course). I will
> check it, although it doesn't feel retarded. And it's running on 
> fresh
> 93 octane fuel. Funnily enough it does sometimes smell as though it's
> running on stale gas, but it certainly isn't. That probably has more 
> to
> do with the flawed combustion process, as it's trying to detonate 
> given
> half a chance.
>
>
> On 2020-03-02 22:53, kevin nash via VirtualVairs wrote:
>>>
>>> The main problem
>>> is it overheats after about ten or fifteen miles - even on a cool
>>> Florida day - & I have to wait for it to cool down before I can go
>>> any
>>> further. I took the bottom shields off, expecting to find the fins
>>> all
>>> clogged with leaves where the storms had blown them in, but they 
>>> all
>>> look clear enough. I was thinking of putting a hose pipe down there
>>> through the fan & see if anything comes out. Or would an air line 
>>> be
>>> better?
>>> And it detonates like crazy - not pinging, but a heavy knock. At
>>> first
>>> I thought it was piston slap, but it doesn't do it from cold. It
>>> does
>>> start doing it before the engine gets the slightest bit hot though 
>>> -
>>> before it has even reached running temp I would say. I haven't
>>> checked
>>> things like ignition timing yet. I'm not quite sure which job to
>>> tackle
>>> next, so I thought I'd throw this lot out there to see if anybody
>>> has
>>> any suggestions?
>>>
>>   Since this has "suddenly" started happening on your other Corvair,
>> perhaps they have a common cause. A very common cause these days is
>> old gas. Any gas that has been sitting for a year can cause these
>> symptoms, as most of the octane that was in when it was fresh has 
>> now
>> evaporated. If you know that the gas in your Corvairs is fresh, it 
>> is
>> time to pop the fan shroud off and look for blockages, and make sure
>> that the cylinder baffles are in place and that the cylinder head
>> fins
>> are clear and properly de-flashed.
>> Next thing to check is the ignition timing, to be sure that it is
>> correct. Too weak of timing will also cause this... often enough
>> someone thinks they can retard the timing enough to run regular, and
>> "sometimes' they can get away with it but LORDY they can run hot 
>> that
>> way!! also, check your fan belt... light dragging when trying to 
>> turn
>> the alternator when cold, "heavy" dragging when warm.
>> Kevin Nash
>> 63 Turbo, port fuel injected daily driver
>> 22psi boost!!
>> most awseome cooling fan on the planet!!
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