<VV> Bad Paint not from China (Minimal Corvair Content)
ronh at owt.com
Mon Jul 15 01:37:59 EDT 2013
Ford may have embraced Deming's QC system but the result sure doesn't show
in Consumer Report's frequency of repair records. If in doubt, look at
Ford's record compared to that of Toyota. It's a night and day difference.
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Subject: <VV> Bad Paint not from China (Minimal Corvair Content)
> I don't get the point.
> Over the decades, quality control in all levels of manufacturing above
> "garage shop" has been improving. Even in the garage, this must be a
> even if the parameters are not scientifically quantified. After WW2 when
> W. E. Deming first proposed zero defect manufacturing as not only an
> achievable goal but a true cost saving philosophy, all industrial
> countries and
> their manufacturing entities have embraced quality control as a
> to success. To this day, The Deming Award is a highly coveted
> international recognition of this applied science/philosophy. This
> includes China.
> As an aside, Deming first proposed zero defect manufacturing in the US
> auto industry. I think it was Ford at first. He was universally
> for what were considered to be "crazy" proposals here in the US and went
> Japan where he is still worshipped. They embraced his philosophy and
> of us know that we are still recovering from the stigma of poor quality
> manufacturing in the US as compared to Japan. (Corvair content ...) As
> can see from the list of my toys at the end of this post, I truly love
> vintage US cars, especially Corvairs. However, my love of these cars
> does not
> stem from the quality control the auto industry had in place back then.
> Yes, the quality process can get out of control but more often than not,
> the problem has its roots in the failure to define the important control
> parameters. You may recall the outrage a few years back when sources in
> supplied children's toys to Mattel with lead based paint. Mattel
> eventually admitted that it was their fault. They failed to inform the
> manufacturer in China that lead based paint was not acceptable. The
> supplier simply
> used the least expensive products that did not violate the specifications
> they had in hand at the time. The folks at Mattel wrongly assumed that
> folks in China knew that lead based paints were banned in the USA. Of
> course, the products were recalled at great expense to Mattel, not the
> I do not pretend to know what transpired between Eastwood and its
> suppliers, nor do I know what Grant's specific needs are. However, I
> assume that
> Grant has expressed his needs to Eastwood and how the more recent
> do not meet them. In my experience, suppliers (and their suppliers) want
> correct any problems as quickly as possible. Its just good business. To
> get proper response, sometimes you must take the complaint to a higher
> level than the first person in Customer Service who answers the phone or
> receives the email. The supplier can't fix a problem they are unaware of
> at the
> proper management level.
> Just to stir things up, I have seen situations where quality levels that
> were too high caused a problem for a customer.
> Regarding computer upgrades, this is not a quality control issue.
> Advancements in PC capability (and other technologies) is a good thing.
> advancement of various PC technologies allows development of improved
> processing speed, storage, communication, etc. If you need or merely
> that expanded capability and your present PC can't support it, "ya gotta
> do what ya gotta do." I have 3 computers ... my laptop for visiting
> and working on the road, my quite OLD tower PC for general data storage,
> writing letters and proposals, etc. and a higher capability tower for my
> technical stuff. The high level PC can support all my needs but I do not
> permit it to have direct internet communication for security reasons. As
> necessary, I transfer files after scanning.
> 1960 Corvette, 1961 Rampside, 1962 Rampside, 1964 Spyder coupe, 1965
> Greenbrier, 1966 Canadian Corsa turbo coupe, 1967 Nova SS, 1968 Camaro
> In a message dated 7/12/2013 7:46:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> virtualvairs-request at corvair.org writes:
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> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 19:04:12 -0400 (EDT)
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> To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
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> Although we probably should not use China as a scapegoat (they do have
> their shortcomings) the general gripe is about the decline in the quality
> manufacturing, among other things. Cost being sited as the usual
> My question is how long will it be before cost drives out any kind of
> quality. We all talk about a disposable society yet everything today is
> disposable. Where does it end?
> The newest computer I own is seven years old so there are things I cannot
> do. I should upgrades but do I have to buy a new computer every two
> I think everyone gets the point.
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