<VV> Turn Signal Update

Vintage Nick vintagenick at yahoo.com
Sun Aug 23 16:40:31 EDT 2020


 Thank you to everyone who replied to my request for help, especially Doug and Larry. Closer testing revealed that I was indeed getting power to the front turn signal wires. The grounding issue appears to be inside of the bulb sockets. Even closer examination reveals that the metal tabs that would normally contact the nubs on the bulbs have recessed so deeply into the plastic sockets that proper contact is not happening. The interiors of the plastic sockets appear to be very brittle. So I’m going to order some replacements from Clarks and see if that is ultimately the correction.
Scott 

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Today's Topics:

  1. YH Bowl Seal - Adv (Grant Young)
  2. Dan Heckel cars for sale (Grant Young)
  3. 66 Monza grill (Richard)
  4. Re: YH Bowl Seal - Picture (Matt Nall)
  5. Directional signal switch (Bill H.)
  6. Re: 61 Monza Turn Signal Issues (Doug Mackintosh)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 16:37:53 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
From: Grant Young <gyoungwolf at earthlink.net>
To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
Subject: <VV> YH Bowl Seal - Adv
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I tried sending a picture of the new YH carburetor pump lever opening seals I have located, but can't make it work, so just send me a note if you want to see one and I will send a picture directly to you. They complete what GM started with keeping unwanted stuff out of your Turbo carburetor bowl. $5 including postage. I have many since the minimum quantity was more than I will ever use. They are also now included in my rebuild kits. 
Grant


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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 16:42:53 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
From: Grant Young <gyoungwolf at earthlink.net>
To: "virtualvairs at corvair.org" <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
Subject: <VV> Dan Heckel cars for sale
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I am trying to help out Monique MacKenney dispose of Dan Heckel's cars since he passed and his estate is mostly settled. He had a couple of nice 4 speed 1966 Corsa Convertibles. One is a red 140 and the other a white 180, which I think is pretty rare. He also had a 1936 Chevy 2 door sedan with a ton of extra parts that he was restoring. I know they are in great shaped mechanically and have good carbs and a turbo since I rebuilt them. They are located at his home in Mountville, PA. You can contact me for more info or go direct to Mo, if you like. 
Grant 


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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 18:18:51 -0400
From: Richard <rnojunkmail at aol.com>
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Subject: <VV> 66 Monza grill
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Anybody got a rear grill for a 66 Monza that's not badly scratched or dented?? Richard Simoff Rnojunkmail at aol.com

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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 22:29:15 +0000 (UTC)
From: Matt Nall <patiomatt at aol.com>
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Subject: Re: <VV> YH Bowl Seal - Picture
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Grant,? ATTACH the FILE? do not "insert" a picture"? This is covered in the List Rules that were just sent to you yesterday.


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I tried sending a picture of the new YH carburetor pump lever opening seals I have located, but can't make it work, so just send me a note if you want to see one and I will send a picture directly to you. They complete what GM started with keeping unwanted stuff out of your Turbo carburetor bowl. $5 including postage. I have many since the minimum quantity was more than I will ever use. They are also now included in my rebuild kits. 
Grant
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 02:24:18 +0000 (UTC)
From: "Bill H." <gojoe283 at yahoo.com>
To: "rnojunkmail at aol.com" <rnojunkmail at aol.com>,  Virtual Vairs
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Subject: <VV> Directional signal switch
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Richard, I didn't see where you specified the year and model of the car.? In the late-1965 and 1966 columns, there is a snap ring that must be pulled out, which will release the switch.
I went crazy trying to remove mine until a call to Seth Emerson got me back on track.? It's possible that this design is unique since my 69 Monza column didn't have the snap ring, and the mid-65 and 66 column had a universal joint that Chevy put there for improved safety in a collision.
So if your car was built later in the 1965 model year, or is a 1966, you'll find the snap ring up in the coupler assembly right at the firewall on the OUTSIDE of the car (not in the interior).
The 1965 Shop Manual doesn't mention anything about a snap switch, so it's possible that older Corvairs didn't have them.


Hope this helps...Bill Hershkowitz? 1966 Monza Sport Sedan 


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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 12:54:11 +0000 (UTC)
From: Doug Mackintosh <dougmackintosh at yahoo.com>
To: "vintagenick at yahoo.com" <vintagenick at yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: <VV> 61 Monza Turn Signal Issues
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 Based on the wiring diagrams, the front signals are on the same circuit at the dash indicator lights. If the switch activates for a RH turn, the wires to the dash indicator and to the trunk harness connector should both be live.?I would start by unplugging the harness in the trunk from the firewall connector and probing the 2 middle terminals of the firewall connector while activating the switch. See if you are getting flashing signal there. If not, you have an issue between the switch and the connector. If you have signal at the connector, then check at the light socket to see if you have signal there. If so, then either the bulb is bad or the ground is bad. You can use a wire and alligator clips to create a known ground between the socket shell and the body and see if the light flashes then (with the light socket pulled out of the body but with the bulb left in the socket).
According to the 1961 Manual wiring diagram, the dash light wire and the wire from the turn signal switch are spliced at the dash side of the trunk connector.?
I have attached a schematic (labeled 1964, but the schematic for the signals is the same) showing the whole circuit, including the switch contacts and connectors.
Hope this helps.
Link to schematic:?20200822_150346.jpg

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-- Doug Mackintosh Corsa member since 1996 Corsa/NC member since 1996, Virtual Vairs member Corvair owner 1969-1971 and 1996-on
<<Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 17:21:20 +0000 (UTC)
From: Vintage Nick <vintagenick at yahoo.com>
To: "virtualvairs at corvair.org" <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
Subject: Re: <VV> 61 Monza Turn Signal Issues
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'Vair Friends,
I could use some help with an issue that has happened in the past (and repaired by an old school, now retired mechanic), but is present again. My front turn signals will not work on my '61 Monza Coupe, and the issue is preventing me from getting state inspection passed. I have reached out to a club member, and we have done everything but disassemble the steering wheel to get to the turn signal components. Before I do so, I thought I would see more suggestions.
Here is what we have checked:?
? - Rear turn signals, headlights and tail lamps DO WORK.
? - New bulbs in front, correct specification
? - Checked/cleaned connector in trunk from firewall
? - Checked/cleaned connector in engine bay (left harness near battery)
? - The switch on the steering column IS activating.
? - The turn signal indicators on the dash DO WORK.
? - Tested for power to front signals using micrometer - affirmative for passenger side, inconsistent reading for driver's side
Any suggestions and possible fixes? Many thanks in advance.
Scott>>


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