<VV> Missing FC's HELP!!!!!

Rick Loving ral1963 at comcast.net
Sat Mar 4 06:35:47 EST 2017


OK...So I changed my data to reflect the NEWLY REVISED 1963 last VIN at
OAKLAND to be 122406, however we still have more descrepancies.

We will assume the 13 FC's in 19661 & 3,141 FC's in 1963 will be adress in
May and I will update my data.

We still have the following differences in 1961 Production VS VIN breakdown
when using your Bloomfield numbers VS my Bloomfield calculation
varience..(all other years now match)

You state...

Bloomfield for 1961 =  3,000..

In order for stated 1961 Model Breakdown to match VIN breakdown, the 1961
Bloomfield must be 2,972.. We have a varience of 28 units....

 
So is the total units for 1961 337384 (including OSH) or are there last VIN
ending differences in the 1961 revised VIN chart? 



My Data...


*	 
PRODUCTION
BY VIN

*
1961
 

1961
Willow Run 
190383

1961
Kansas City 
33250

1961
Oakland 
55470

1961
FLINT 
15185

1961
ST LOUIS
32385

1961
Bloomfield*
2972*

1961
Oshawa 
7739

1961
USA
329645

1961
CANADA
7739

1961
TOTAL PRODUCTION
337384

* no USA VIN assigned...







1961
Production
                          337,384 

1961
535
                              5,591 

1961
735
                            20,451 

1961
569
                           18,752 

1961
769
                           51,948 

1961
969
                           33,745 

1961
527
                            16,857 

1961
727
                            24,786 

1961
927
                          109,945 

1961
R1206
                           18,493 

1961
R1205
                           15,812 

1961
R1254
                           10,790 

1961
R1244
                              2,475 

1961
CAN
                              7,739 
* Adjusted Sedan counts reflect 2,972 for Export Varience	
* Adjusted FC counts up for 13 missing units	




-----Original Message-----
From: David Newell [mailto:chevrobilia at yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2017 10:37 PM
To: Rick Loving
Subject: RE: <VV> Missing FC's HELP!!!!!

Hi,
Yes, I was adding the plant totals given in a different Chevy Corvair
production doc which shows the last '63 built at Oakland on 7-12-63 as #
22406. I should have noticed that in the Central Office plant serial letter
dated 9-3-63 it shows the last 63 OA Vair to be 22403.

I think there must have been a revised OA total adding three cars. There's
no reason to suspect that the Bloomfield, VN or WR numbers are off.

Since we have two sources that show 254,571 as the correct total, I think we
should go with that and assume the error was with the Oakland figure.

Dave  
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On Fri, 3/3/17, Rick Loving <ral1963 at comcast.net> wrote:

 Subject: RE: <VV> Missing FC's     HELP!!!!!
 To: "'David Newell'" <chevrobilia at yahoo.com>
 Date: Friday, March 3, 2017, 7:45 PM



 
 

 For 63 numbers...you state....

 For example, take
 1963:

 Add up the six CAR model numbers and they equal 254,
 571

 Deduct the 1963 Bloomfield Corvair total of 456 and you get
 254,115

 Then add the WR, OA & VN plant totals (ending serials)  and  you get
254,115
  
 However the production from WR, OA, VN
 is 214470+17239+22403 =
 254112 .. not 254115...so the Bloomfield Production  needs to be
 459 per my calcualtions...
  
 Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: David Newell [mailto:chevrobilia at yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2017 9:10 PM
To: 'David Newell'; VirtualVairs at corvair.org; Rick Loving
Cc: spilatrs at marietta.edu; 'Matt Nall'; 'Mike McGowan'; 'Rod Murray'; 'Ed
Bittman'; 'Harry Jensen'; 'Kent Sullivan'; 'Mark Corbin'; 'Bill Hubbell';
'Bob Helt'; 'Bob Marlow'; corsa at cox.net
Subject: RE: <VV> Missing FC's HELP!!!!!

Hi Rick,
Wow, thanks for all of your hard work and dedication. Not many folks care
about the data like we do.

Actually it's all pretty simple. If we would have published the Bloomfield
CKD plant figures earlier, we  would have prevented a lot of confusion.

The car model production figures and their totals that we published years
ago were prepared in the '60s by Chevrolet and are actually OK. They include
the Bloomfield numbers. Chevrolet counted Bloomfield production just as if
it was a normal assembly plant like Willow Run.

The assembly plant serial number/production total docs you're using for
comparison only include Willow Run, Kansas City, Oakland and Van Nuys. Those
docs were meant for use by US Chevy factory reps who had no use for CKD
totals. And CKDs had no US serials anyway.

If you take the total of the car model numbers for each year (not including
the FC numbers) and deduct the Bloomfield numbers, then they match the
WR/KC/OA/VN plant totals. Except for 65 & 66 when Oshawa "built" all Vair
CKDs and in that case the numbers match as is. And 68 and 69 are no brainers
since there weren't any CKDs in those years.

For example, take 1963:

Add up the six CAR model numbers and they equal 254, 571

Deduct the 1963 Bloomfield Corvair total of 456 and you get 254,115

Then add the WR, OA & VN plant totals (ending serials) and you get 254,115

This works for every year except 1965, 66, 68 and 69:

Take 1965 and add the seven car model numbers = 235,528

There isn't any CKD number to deduct.

Then add up the WR & VN totals = 235,528  

We'll publish the Bloomfield numbers and note that they're included in the
well worn yearly model production numbers and their totals:

1960: 4,584
1961: 3,000
1962: 1,800
1963: 456
1964: 480
1967: 96

I trust that no one copied with this email will publish the Bloomfield
numbers until the May Communique comes out. I worked hard to find them and
the credit is all that I get paid :-)

FYI, Canadian production isn't included in any of the above numbers. It was
over and above those figures. But the Canadian CKD numbers are included in
Canadian Corvair yearly totals.

Thanks again,
Dave

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On Fri, 3/3/17, Rick Loving <ral1963 at comcast.net> wrote:

 Subject: RE: <VV> Missing FC's     HELP!!!!!
 To: "'David Newell'" <chevrobilia at yahoo.com>, VirtualVairs at corvair.org
 Cc: spilatrs at marietta.edu, "'Matt Nall'" <patiomatt at aol.com>, "'Mike
McGowan'" <mcvair at sbcglobal.net>, "'Rod Murray'"
<rmurray at pittsburghpenguins.com>, "'Ed Bittman'" <ebittman at tampabay.rr.com>,
"'Harry Jensen'" <corsa at corvair.org>, "'Kent Sullivan'"
<kentsu at corvairkid.com>, "'Mark Corbin'" <airvair at earthlink.net>, "'Bill
Hubbell'" <whubbell at umich.edu>, "'Bob Helt'" <BobHelt at aol.com>, "'Bob
Marlow'" <rwmarlow at comcast.net>, spilatrs at marietta.edu, corsa at cox.net
 Date: Friday, March 3, 2017, 5:08 PM



 
 

 I am glad we are all on the same page in  wanting to get the most  accuate
numbers out there, updating our information, and  preserving the Corvair
history.

 I am re-vamping my original email as we kmow what is  amiss...

 In regards to the FC only 1961 (13 trucks) and 63 (3141
 trucks)
 are unaccounted for in the "Model Year breakdown"
 For 61 it accefts all 4 types
 and for 63 only 3 models are affected.

 Since I do not have the details
 that Dave does, I mearly determined what the % to toal each  body stayle
was and  extrapolated the "new" totals using the same  percentages based on
the "correct"
 production totals from the VIN charts.

 This changed the follow model
 breakdown by the units highlighted in RED..and added the  missing 3154
units to  the Total FC production counts.

 Hopefully Dave will make adjustments
 where possible based on his documentation.

 For the car
 production...

 60,61,62,63,64, & 67 are afftected... I noted that the  defferences in 67
were directly related to the CDK units and  started working  towards
calculating "how" the other years exprts  could have affected the Model
breakdone.

 I had a hypothisis that the only affcted models would be the
 4
 door Sedans in the year as they were the expoted models...I  theorized that
the  numbers somehow got double counted...where they were  included in the
original  model counts, and then rolled back in from a list showing  the
exports.  It  was the only way the "production" numbers could be  counted
higher than the VIN  totals....

 So I made the similair adjustements to the sedan Model units

 based on the variences between the overal production and the  VIN
production.  All changes to "pre-existing totals  are hightlighted in
RED...

 All in all only a few models from each year were  affected....I am  curious
as to how my exercise mirrors the actual numbers  from.....

 I have
 attcahed my spread sheet with what I calculated...(and  pasted it here
below)....   
  


  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
    
    
      NEW SUGGEST  
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
    
    
      MODEL #'s 
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
    
     TOTAL
                          

       1,827,933
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
    
     USA
                          

       1,779,006
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
    
     CANADA
                                

       48,927
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     YEAR
     MODEL
      TOTALS 
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1960
     Production
                              

       248,684
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1960
     569
                               

       46,155
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1960
     769
                             

       136,152
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1960
     527
                                

       14,628
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1960
     727
                                

       36,562
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1960
     927
                                

       11,926
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1960
     CAN
                                  

       3,261
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     * Adjusted Sedan counts
 down 4,584
       for Export Varience
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1961
     Production
                              

       334,412
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1961
     535
                                  

       5,591
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1961
     735
                                

       20,451
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1961
     569
                               

       18,009
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1961
     769
                               

       50,462
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1961
     969
                               

       33,002
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1961
     527
                                

       16,857
    
     1961
    
     1961
    
    
  
     1961
     727
                                

       24,786
    
     REVISED % T TTL
    
     ORIGINAL % to TOTAL
    
    
  
     1961
     927
                              

       109,945
    
             
       47,557
     % to total
    
         
       47,570
     % to total
    
    
  
     1961
     R1206
                               

       18,493
    
             
       18,489
     0.389
    
         
       18,493
     0.389
    
    
  
     1961
     R1205
                               

       15,812
    
             
       15,806
     0.332
    
         
       15,812
     0.332
    
    
  
     1961
     R1254
                               

       10,790
    
             
       10,787
     0.227
    
         
       10,790
     0.227
    
    
  
     1961
     R1244
                                  

       2,475
    
               

       2,475
     0.052
    
            
       2,475
     0.052
    
    
  
     1961
     CAN
                                  

       7,739
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     * Adjusted Sedan counts
 down 2,972
       for Export Varience
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     * Adjusted FC counts up for
 13
       missing units
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1962
     Production
                              

       334,205
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1962
     735
                                  

       3,716
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1962
     935
                                  

       2,362
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1962
     569
                                         

       -  

    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1962
     769
                               

       34,468
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1962
     969
                               

       47,159
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1962
     527
                                

       16,245
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1962
     727
                                

       18,474
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1962
     927
                              

       144,844
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1962
     967
                                

       13,995
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1962
     927 S
                                  

       6,894
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1962
     967 S
                                  

       2,574
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1962
     R1206
                                

       18,007
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1962
     R1205
                                

       13,491
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1962
     R1254
                                  

       4,102
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1962
     R1244
                                      

       369
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1962
     CAN
                                  

       7,505
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     * Adjusted Sedan counts
 down 1,800
       for Export Varience
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1963
     Production
                              

       291,101
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1963
     569
                                         

       -  

    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1963
     769
                               

       20,456
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1963
     969
                               

       30,889
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1963
     527
                                

       16,680
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1963
     727
                                

       12,378
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1963
     927
                              

       117,917
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1963
     967
                                

       36,693
    
     1963
    
     1963
    
    
  
     1963
     927 S
                                

       11,627
    
     REVISED % T TTL
    
     ORIGINAL % to TOTAL
    
    
  
     1963
     967 S
                                  

       7,472
    
             
       30,109
     % to total
    
         
       26,968
     % to total
    
    
  
     1963
     R1206
                               

       15,364
    
             
       15,364
     0.5103
    
         
       13,761
     0.5103
    
    
  
     1963
     R1205
                               

       12,461
    
             
       12,461
     0.4139
    
         
       11,161
     0.4139
    
    
  
     1963
     R1254
                                  

       2,284
    
               

       2,284
     0.0759
    
            
       2,046
     0.0759
    
    
  
     1963
     CAN
                                  

       6,880
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     * Adjusted Sedan counts
 down 459
       for Export Varience
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     * Adjusted FC counts up for
 3,141
       missing units
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1964
     Production
                              

       214,003
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1964
     569
                                         

       -  

    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1964
     769
                               

       16,055
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1964
     969
                               

       21,686
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1964
     527
                                

       22,968
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1964
     727
                                         

       -  

    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1964
     927
                                

       88,440
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1964
     967
                                

       31,045
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1964
     627
                                  

       6,480
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1964
     667
                                  

       4,761
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1964
     R1206
                                  

       6,201
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1964
     R1205
                                  

       8,147
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1964
     R1254
                                      

       851
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1964
     CAN
                                  

       7,369
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     * Adjusted Sedan counts
 down 480
       for Export Varience
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1965
     Production
                              

       247,092
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1965
     139
                                

       17,560
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1965
     539
                                

       37,157
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1965
     137
                                

       36,747
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1965
     537
                                

       88,954
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1965
     567
                                

       26,466
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1965
     737
                                

       20,291
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1965
     767
                                  

       8,353
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1965
     R1206
                                  

       1,528
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1965
     CAN
                                

       10,036
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1966
     Production
                              

       109,880
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1966
     139
                                  

       8,779
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1966
     539
                                

       12,497
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1966
     137
                                

       24,045
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1966
     537
                                

       37,605
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1966
     567
                                

       10,345
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1966
     737
                                  

       7,330
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1966
     767
                                  

       3,142
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1966
     CAN
                                  

       6,137
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1967
     Production
                                

       27,157
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1967
     139
                                  

       2,911
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1967
     539
                                  

       3,109
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1967
     137
                                  

       9,257
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1967
     537
                                  

       9,771
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1967
     567
                                  

       2,109
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     * Adjusted Sedan counts
 down 96 for
       Export Varience
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1968
     Production
                                

       15,399
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1968
     137
                                  

       7,206
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1968
     537
                                  

       6,807
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1968
     567
                                  

       1,386
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1969
     Production
                                  

       6,000
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1969
     137
                                  

       2,762
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1969
     537
                                  

       2,717
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
     1969
     567
                                      

       521
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
    
    
    
     Exported Corvairs
      
     11,589
     (34,875 total
 exported Corvairs from
       1960-1969)
      
      
      
      
  
    
    
    
      
     Belgium
     Denmark
     Mexico
     S Africa
     Swiss
     S America
     TOTALS
  
    
    
    
     1960
     1,841
     171
     1,383
     405
     630
     384
     4,814
  
    
    
    
     1961
     616
     104
     633
     720
     554
     345
     2,972
  
    
    
    
     1962
     598
     18
     460
     184
     429
     111
     1,800
  
    
    
    
     1963
     337
     0
     0
     0
     122
     0
     459
  
    
    
    
     1964
     216
     0
     0
     0
     264
     0
     480
  
    
    
    
     1965
     336
     0
     0
     0
     224
     0
     560
  
    
    
    
     1966
     264
     0
     0
     0
     144
     0
     408
  
    
    
    
     1967
     48
     0
     0
     0
     48
     0
     96
  
    
    
    
     1968
     0
     0
     0
     0
     0
     0
     0
  
    
    
    
     1969
     0
     0
     0
     0
     0
     0
     0
  
    
    
    
     TOTALS
     4,256
     293
     2,476
     1,309
     2,415
     840
     11,589
  
    
    
    
      
      
      
      
     *All
 Estimated to meet VIN Productin Totals
      
      
      
  

 -----Original Message-----
 From: David Newell [mailto:chevrobilia at yahoo.com]
 Sent:
 Friday, March 03, 2017 4:57 AM
 To: VirtualVairs at corvair.org
 Cc:
 ral1963 at comcast.net; spilatrs at marietta.edu; Matt Nall; Mike
 McGowan; Rod Murray;
 Ed Bittman; Harry Jensen; Kent Sullivan; Mark Corbin; Bill
 Hubbell; Bob Helt;
 Bob Marlow
 Subject: RE: <VV> Missing FC's HELP!!!!!

 Rick, Matt,
 Rod and all...
 Thanks for bringing up this important and long overdue
 issue.
 Your sharp eye, Rick, couldn't have had better timing
 for taming those pesky FC
 numbers. Mike McGowan and I've been planning an article
 for the Communique this
 year on just this subject. It's one of four pieces
 I'm determined to do before
 year's end or whenever Mike and Harry retire. Which is
 when I'll bow out, thank
 you.

 The FC production numbers by year and model -- as published
 in The
 Corvair Decade and everywhere else Corvair FC numbers have
 ever been printed --
 go back to the early 1970s when all we had were car numbers.
 The FC figures were
 a huge gap in our knowledge. I'm the guilty party who
 requested them, plus the
 62-63 Spyder RPO and 65-66 L87 turbo numbers, from
 Chevrolet. They've been
 reprinted a jillion times at least. We had no reason to
 question 'em, nor did
 anyone else.

 In 1988 I came across the month-ending serial numbers for
 each plant. They were a revelation, but like you I caught
 the 1963 FC
 inconsistencies and wrote a memo to file that flagged them
 as a possible
 "breakthrough" in numbers research. But at the
 time there was nothing else to
 check the plant totals against, much less cross check the
 original numbers
 supplied by Chevy.

 Eventually holy grail docs appeared, confirming that
 the Flint and St Louis totals were correct and just how
 faulty some of the
 original Chevy-supplied figures were. In my article I'll
 show how that was done
 and how the process also corrected the '63 model
 production numbers.

 Your
 observation about the 13 FC anomaly in '61 is well taken
 and right on. But
 there's major goof besides that one. It'll surprise
 and probably dismay you, in
 that it's taken me so damn long to write about it. But
 maybe you'll all forgive
 this numbers weary old fart with failing eyesight and way
 too much historical
 trivia to ever have time to explore.

 So....help has arrived. I'll fix it.
 But everyone has to get on board and spread the new figures.
 Rick, your
 questioning the old figures now should help validate the new
 numbers. I've been
 worried that some folks might not easily embrace the
 corrections. We'll need to
 spread the word so that whenever anyone edits or reprints
 what they've
 previously published (with the old numbers) they can fix it.
 It should be
 "official" CORSA policy, pointed out on the web
 site, but I know that's
 expecting too much.

 Here's to all of us who care about numerical
 accuracy. And truth in general. Somebody's gotta get it
 right, 'eh?
 :-)

 Dave Newell
 History Editor, CORSA Communique 
  

 --------------------------------------------
 On Thu, 3/2/17,
 Rod Murray <rmurray at pittsburghpenguins.com> wrote:

  Subject:
 RE: <VV> Missing FC's 
    HELP!!!!!
  To:
 "ral1963 at comcast.net" <ral1963 at comcast.net>,
 "spilatrs at marietta.edu"
 <spilatrs at marietta.edu>,
 "chevrobilia at yahoo.com"
 <chevrobilia at yahoo.com>
  Cc: "Matt Nall"
 <patiomatt at aol.com>
  Date: Thursday, March 2, 2017, 9:41
 AM

  Hey rick,

  Seems like Steve Spilatro and dave newell
 might be good  sources to check in with.

  Good luck w/ the
 project...count me amongst those that  appreciate
 thorough fact-finding and
 numerical accuracy.

  - rod


  Rod
 Murray
  Senior Director, Production and Game
 Presentation 
 Pittsburgh Penguins  rmurray at pittsburghpenguins.com
  Office:
 412-255-1906 | Fax: 412-255-1980 | Mobile:
  412-719-3449
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 |
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  -----Original Message-----
  From: VirtualVairs
 [mailto:virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org]
  On
 Behalf Of Matt Nall via VirtualVairs
  Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017
 11:07 AM
  To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
  Subject: <VV>
 Missing FC's HELP!!!!!


  Rick Loving / Vair Historian  needs
 some help!!


  His email is






  Does
 anyone know the "oldest" published model numbers
 for  Corvair Forward
 Control trucks (and where those totals came  from?)?

  When you
 look at all the historical numbers for 1963 FC 
 production there is a 3,141
 variance between what has been  reported
 historically...and I want to fix
 it!!!

  ...according to the Corvair Decade (not sure where
 Tony 
 pulled them) and repeated across dozens of publications
 and 
 websites...here is what FC Model breakdown for 1963 has
 been 
 reported.

  1963 Corvan = 11,161 Units
  1963 Greenbriar =
 13,761 Units
  1963 Rampside = 2,046
 Units
  ___________________________
  1963 Total Model Breakdown =
 26,968

  Here is the issue,
  According to GM documents, 1963
 plant production at St Louis  and Flint for Corvair
 FC's was as
 follows..

  1963 Flint = 15,211 (Last VIN built)
  1963 St
 Louis = 14,898 (Last VIN built) 
 _______________________________________
  1963 Total VIN Production =
 30,109

  So we have 3,141 Corvair FC's NOT accounted for in
 the
 Model  breakdown?

  Since FC's don't really have a "Body
 number"
 listed on the  Fisher Tag like cars...can anyone think
 of a way to 
 accurately "correct" the production by model
 information?

  Was the
 original "model" numbers derived from a %
 built?

  Summary...

  1961 Model breakdown matches VIN
 totals exactly at 47,557
  1962 Model breakdown matches VIN totals close
 at 47,557  model vs 14,570 by VIN (13 more reported by
 Model)

  1962 Model breakdown is off by 3,141...and needs to
 be 
 revised...

  1964 Model breakdown matches VIN totals exactly at
 15,199
  1965 Model breakdown matches VIN totals exactly at
 1,528

  Thoughts?






  ral1963 at comcast.net










  
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